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re: Lance Moore: "Bring Vick to New Orleans"
Posted on 7/29/09 at 1:47 pm to SaintEB
Posted on 7/29/09 at 1:47 pm to SaintEB
quote:
I don't think bringing Vick in improves the team all that much,
at worst he gives us a viable #2 option at QB should Brees get hurt.
throw out all the wildcat BS, and just as a backup QB he would be valuable. Even if he doesnt touch the ball unless Brees gets hurt. Which would be unlikely, but look at it from that point of view and tell me he cant help the team.
face it, should Brees get hurt, we arent going to do anything with what we have backing up. With Vick, different story
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Posted on 7/29/09 at 1:48 pm to Lester Earl
quote:So in your opinion you think the Saints don't run the ball because they think they don't have the personnel?
by product of design BECAUSE of the personnel
Posted on 7/29/09 at 1:50 pm to Lester Earl
quote:
face it, should Brees get hurt, we arent going to do anything with what we have backing up. With Vick, different story
Maybe I'm stupid, but I think Brunell can step in for a couple of games and do well. Now, if the injury is a season thing, and Brees is out for 10-12 games, then I don't think Brunell is the choice here...nor is Harrington..
With that said, I wouldn't want to cut either to "find out" in the even that Brees went down this season. Nobody knows what shape Vick is in or if he can play at a high level this season. I wouldn't want to take that chance this year.
Posted on 7/29/09 at 1:51 pm to musick
I'd look at Mike Vick as a $1.5 Million dollar insurance policy on our $150 Million dollar payroll/organizational fee if I were Benson.
If Brees goes down with our current roster, we're fricked.
If Brees goes down and we have Vick splitting snaps with Brunell, we'd have a snowball's chance.
If Brees goes down with our current roster, we're fricked.
If Brees goes down and we have Vick splitting snaps with Brunell, we'd have a snowball's chance.
Posted on 7/29/09 at 1:51 pm to SJS Eagle 85
it comes down to 2 things:
1. Is Vick better than Brunell and Harrington
(I would say absolutely yes)
2. Has Vick learned from his mistakes and straightened out his attitude? Is he comfortable with being a permanent backup QB in the NFL?
(This is where we can argue)
1. Is Vick better than Brunell and Harrington
(I would say absolutely yes)
2. Has Vick learned from his mistakes and straightened out his attitude? Is he comfortable with being a permanent backup QB in the NFL?
(This is where we can argue)
Posted on 7/29/09 at 1:53 pm to Lester Earl
quote:We don't know that.
face it, should Brees get hurt, we arent going to do anything with what we have backing up
quote:Vick has proven to be an innaccurate QB whose game revolves around forcing defenses to respect his running ability. And although this is a exceptional set of skills I don't think it would translate well in N.O. where the offense is predicated on getting the ball into the playmakers hands on time and accurately.
With Vick, different story
Posted on 7/29/09 at 1:54 pm to SJS Eagle 85
quote:
So in your opinion you think the Saints don't run the ball because they think they don't have the personnel?
why else would you NOT want to run the ball?
it was obvious last year they didnt have faith in the personnel. Esp by not giving Pierre Thomas more carries.
our rushing totals were at the bottom of the leauge, both YPG and YPC
Posted on 7/29/09 at 1:55 pm to SaintEB
quote:
Nobody knows what shape Vick is in or if he can play at a high level this season.
Tom Shaw said in the paper today he is confident he could step on the field and run a 4.4 TODAY
Posted on 7/29/09 at 1:56 pm to Lester Earl
quote:If that's the case then why didn't the front office address this in the offseason? They had multiple opportunities.
why else would you NOT want to run the ball?
Posted on 7/29/09 at 1:58 pm to SJS Eagle 85
quote:
We don't know that.
Brunell is 38 and hasnt thrown a pass 2 years
Harrington is a joke
quote:
Vick has proven to be an innaccurate QB whose game revolves around forcing defenses to respect his running ability
and he has taken average talent ATL team to the NFC championship game and won many other games by doing just this.
I hated playing the Falcons when they had Vick. And not because of the rest of the guys, because they were average. Just because of him, and the threat he possesses. If he had to start games for the Saints, he wouldnt nearly have to shoulder as much load as he did in ATL
Posted on 7/29/09 at 1:59 pm to novowels
quote:
1. Is Vick better than Brunell and Harrington
(I would say absolutely yes)
Not so fast there my friend. Brunell is still a better QB than Vick ever was. Vick was never a very QB and that's when he was playing and practicing all the time. He's older and who knows if he can even run like he use to.
Posted on 7/29/09 at 1:59 pm to SJS Eagle 85
quote:
If that's the case then why didn't the front office address this in the offseason? They had multiple opportunities.
good question, because our RB depth is pretty bleak.
they did add Heath Evans who will prob get some short distance carries
and i hoping they learned that Thomas can indeed run the ball effectively. Im guessing the have realized this, since they didnt sign no one.
when i see it in the game, ill believe it though.
Posted on 7/29/09 at 2:02 pm to musick
quote:
Saints receiver Lance Moore
Good to know he's a POS
Posted on 7/29/09 at 2:03 pm to Suntiger
quote:
Not so fast there my friend. Brunell is still a better QB than Vick ever was. Vick was never a very QB and that's when he was playing and practicing all the time. He's older and who knows if he can even run like he use to.
Brunell is 38 and hasnt thrown a pass in 2 years. The last time we saw him he was losing his job to Jason 'frickin' Campbell
Posted on 7/29/09 at 2:04 pm to danfraz
quote:
Good to know he's a POS
Posted on 7/29/09 at 2:04 pm to Lester Earl
I completely agree that Vick is an upgrade at QB from Brunell and Harrington. He would give us a reliable backup and could possibly be a role player in our offense. If Brees ever went down, I would be confident that Vick could get the job done for us.
That being said, I hate Michael Vick as a person. Does anyone not remember how he turned on Falcons fans when things started to go bad. He's a thug with a horrible attitude and if you think that prison time or everything else that he's been through is going to change that then you're wrong. The fact that people are starting countless threads suggesting that we pick up this guy makes me wonder if the majority of you guys graduated from Miami. If you think Vick was a cancer in Atlanta, just think how he would react to being a backup for the rest of his career in New Orleans. His attitude would destroy the Saints.
There's my rant for today.
That being said, I hate Michael Vick as a person. Does anyone not remember how he turned on Falcons fans when things started to go bad. He's a thug with a horrible attitude and if you think that prison time or everything else that he's been through is going to change that then you're wrong. The fact that people are starting countless threads suggesting that we pick up this guy makes me wonder if the majority of you guys graduated from Miami. If you think Vick was a cancer in Atlanta, just think how he would react to being a backup for the rest of his career in New Orleans. His attitude would destroy the Saints.
There's my rant for today.
Posted on 7/29/09 at 2:07 pm to Lester Earl
quote:Brunnel played well in spots for Washington 2 years ago. While not a solid back up by any stretch he's an improvement over Tyler Palko.
Brunell is 38 and hasnt thrown a pass 2 years
quote:I can't honestly agree with this. I have no idea what Harrington really is yet. This kid has played on bad teams his whole career. I'd like to see what he could do in a good situation.
Harrington is a joke
quote:He was able to do this in ATL before he spent 23 months in prison. Vick being able to do that now is no certainty. It's also asking a lot for 52 other players to put their faith in.
If Vick had to start games for the Saints, he wouldnt nearly have to shoulder as much load as he did in ATL
Posted on 7/29/09 at 2:07 pm to SJS Eagle 85
quote:
We don't know that.
I don't get this line of thinking - that Vick has somehow completely lost his World-class athleticism and natural instincts simply because he was in prison for 18 months?
You don't forget muscle memory like that, and Vick had some of the freakish instinctual moves I've ever seen.
quote:
I can't honestly agree (that Harrington is a joke)
During the OTA's Bobby said that Harrington looked awful. Comparable to Palko in his inability to hit receivers with no pads and no defenders. Said that Payton was wasting his time if he thought Joey was a worthy project.
This post was edited on 7/29/09 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 7/29/09 at 2:08 pm to novowels
quote:
He's a thug with a horrible attitude
Posted on 7/29/09 at 2:10 pm to eyeran
quote:
eyeran
He should have kept his mouth closed on that subject IMO. If he wants to go to the front office and tell them that in private than he should knock himself out. I could give a shite if you like it or he likes it, I think the dude is a douche, could care less who he plays for.
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