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re: LB selection sunshine pumping up your arse.
Posted on 5/3/15 at 4:00 pm to KG5989
Posted on 5/3/15 at 4:00 pm to KG5989
quote:I saw that. McShay is definitely a fan. Mcshay is also an outlier in regard to Kikaha. No one else had him rated that highly. I think most lists had him as a 3rd rounder at best.
See how it works? You can play this game with just about any list out there. Some people / teams like certain players more than others. Mayock didn't have him in his top 100, McShay had him as a borderline 1st rounder.
Again, I'd be inclined to say "Well they know more than I do" or more than the draft gurus do, except for the fact that the Saints drafting has been horrible in recent years.
Time will tell. But I'm going on record right now saying I think it was a terrible draft pick.
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Posted on 5/3/15 at 4:12 pm to L.A.
Why was it a "terrible draft pick"? You're not giving any reasoning here besides mayock doesn't like him and the saints recent draft record.
This is the best saints draft in a long time to me because they got guys that fit the culture they're building and not projects.
They kicked guys like reprish(who i believe had a hand in the rooks fiasco) and brought in guys who know talent.
This is the best saints draft in a long time to me because they got guys that fit the culture they're building and not projects.
They kicked guys like reprish(who i believe had a hand in the rooks fiasco) and brought in guys who know talent.
This post was edited on 5/3/15 at 4:16 pm
Posted on 5/3/15 at 4:30 pm to L.A.
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Given the Saints track record in recent drafts, that don't fly.
Remember Khari Fortt in round 4 last year? Tavon Rooks in round 6?
The Saints front office must still be hooked on Vicodin.
So, because they had some bad picks last year, we should just assume anytime we "reach" according Mayock's (who isn't being paid by an NFL team to do this) board, that none of the other teams had that player rated around the same spot we did?
Posted on 5/3/15 at 4:55 pm to higgsBoson
Yeah I think both Kikaha and Tull are athletic enough to play both Sam and Jack but from what Payton said Kikaha will train more at Sam and Tull more at Jack with cross training for both. I think the talk about Tull playing DE is a bit much though. Maybe he can play the Will?
And the guy that brought up Fortt and Rooks, Fortt was looking great physically but it was his mental that got him cut. We've rarely had guys fail because of the bullshite Fortt pulled. So yeah bad psych eval but that's the hardest part of scouting.
And Rooks was a 6th round Olineman. They have no special teams value so he had to be a backup to make it. Do you know how many 6th and 7th rounders don't make it in the league? There's a reason these guys get drafted so low.
And the guy that brought up Fortt and Rooks, Fortt was looking great physically but it was his mental that got him cut. We've rarely had guys fail because of the bullshite Fortt pulled. So yeah bad psych eval but that's the hardest part of scouting.
And Rooks was a 6th round Olineman. They have no special teams value so he had to be a backup to make it. Do you know how many 6th and 7th rounders don't make it in the league? There's a reason these guys get drafted so low.
Posted on 5/3/15 at 5:54 pm to LosLobos111
quote:As I already said, only Mcshay had him rated as a 2nd rounder. Most of the mocks had him in rounds 3-5.
Why was it a "terrible draft pick"? You're not giving any reasoning here besides mayock doesn't like him and the saints recent draft record.
The other factors are his 4.93 40 (glacial for an edge rusher) and two ACL surgeries.
Posted on 5/3/15 at 6:00 pm to bonethug0108
quote:Fortt rarely if ever saw the field so I'm not sure about him looking great. And his off-the-field issues were well documented BEFORE the draft. He was a shocking pick in round 4.
And the guy that brought up Fortt and Rooks, Fortt was looking great physically but it was his mental that got him cut. We've rarely had guys fail because of the bullshite Fortt pulled. So yeah bad psych eval but that's the hardest part of scouting.
Rooks wasn't even projected to be drafted. Even he didn't expect to be drafted. He was also a shocking pick, even if it was round 6.
Posted on 5/3/15 at 6:06 pm to L.A.
Suggs ran a similar 40 time. What jumps out to me is his actual production. 19 sacks last season. Last two college players to get numbers like that; Suggs and Dummervil. That's great company. And injury concerns, sure I can see that. However, he has played the last 2 seasons with no problem. I think he is going to be a big time contributor.
Posted on 5/3/15 at 6:11 pm to L.A.
Terrell Suggs ran in the 4.8-4.9range... Hasn't hurt him in the NFL.
And Kikaha had 2 ACL surgeries... In 2011 and 2012. Long time ago. Since then, he just has had 142tackles, 32 sacks, 40.5TFL, 87 QB hurries, and 6 FF. In just 2 seasons...
You haven't heard of this guy before, you checked his combine #s, and see that Mayock didn't even have him in his top 100 players in the draft... Therefore you think he sucks and was a horrible pick. When you haven't ever seen this guy play or have any idea what he's about.
And Kikaha had 2 ACL surgeries... In 2011 and 2012. Long time ago. Since then, he just has had 142tackles, 32 sacks, 40.5TFL, 87 QB hurries, and 6 FF. In just 2 seasons...
You haven't heard of this guy before, you checked his combine #s, and see that Mayock didn't even have him in his top 100 players in the draft... Therefore you think he sucks and was a horrible pick. When you haven't ever seen this guy play or have any idea what he's about.
Posted on 5/3/15 at 6:13 pm to CocoLoco
quote:I've heard that comparison, but there was one difference. Suggs was a consensus top 5 pick in that draft before running the bad 40. The bad 40 dropped him to #10 (the Saints passed on him for Jonathan Sullivan, in part because we ran a 4-3 back then and Suggs was a 3-4 olb).
Suggs ran a similar 40 time.
Kikaha was a consensus 3rd round to 5th round draft pick. Believe me, I hope I'm wrong about him. I think he makes the team. I think he contributes. But the Saints blew the early part of this draft IMO by picking players much higher than they were slotted.
Posted on 5/3/15 at 6:15 pm to KG5989
quote:What makes you think I haven't seen him play before? I live in Los Angeles. I see all the Pac 12 games. I've seen Kikaha play. He's a very good college player. I think he would have been a decent pick at #78. At #44, he was a reach.
You haven't heard of this guy before, you checked his combine #s, and see that Mayock didn't even have him in his top 100 players in the draft... Therefore you think he sucks and was a horrible pick. When you haven't ever seen this guy play or have any idea what he's about.
Posted on 5/3/15 at 6:16 pm to KG5989
imo:
DE: Jordan/Foster
NT: Bunkley/Jenkins
DE: Hicks/Davison
Jack: Galette/Spencer/Tull
Will: Ellerbe/Humber
Mike: Anthony/Hawthorne
Sam: Kikaha/Haralson/Powell
DE: Jordan/Foster
NT: Bunkley/Jenkins
DE: Hicks/Davison
Jack: Galette/Spencer/Tull
Will: Ellerbe/Humber
Mike: Anthony/Hawthorne
Sam: Kikaha/Haralson/Powell
Posted on 5/3/15 at 6:21 pm to Hazelnut
quote:Where we picked, and who was left on the board at the time, he was a shocker. CB Pierre Desir, for example, went one pick later to Cleveland. Zach Mettenberger was still on the board, as well as Cameron Fleming, David Yankey, etc. There was a lot of talent still there.
What? He was projected around 4 or 5.
This post was edited on 5/3/15 at 6:26 pm
Posted on 5/3/15 at 6:34 pm to BRL79
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first group of “edge” rushers had there not been those doubts.
There is another thread saying he was a traditional olb, not just an edge rusher, and talking about us running a 4-3. Even including this analysis, there is no evidence backing any of that up.
Posted on 5/3/15 at 6:36 pm to L.A.
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Where we picked, and who was left on the board at the time, he was a shocker. CB Pierre Desir, for example, went one pick later to Cleveland. Zach Mettenberger was still on the board, as well as Cameron Fleming, David Yankey, etc. There was a lot of talent still there.
Desir didn't do much for Cleveland either. That was including after Gilbert getting benched. They both got beat by UDFAs
Boston would have been unnecessary
Mettenberger would have rotted on the bench, he has a lot of issues as a quality QB and a year later he is about to be benched for Mariota.
Cameron Fleming is quality, but he's also a backup G/T for NE.
Yankey is also a backup for Minnesota.
Benwikere was the only one I could think of that was drafted late 4th-early 5th that contributed heavily to their teams.
Posted on 5/3/15 at 6:42 pm to BRL79
tull finna go hard af
Posted on 5/3/15 at 6:51 pm to htran90
quote:Well you're not really expecting a 4th rounder to come in and start year 1 for a good team. But you do hope the guy is a good backup and special teams player early on and who can develop into a starter later on.
Desir didn't do much for Cleveland either. That was including after Gilbert getting benched. They both got beat by UDFAs
Boston would have been unnecessary
Mettenberger would have rotted on the bench, he has a lot of issues as a quality QB and a year later he is about to be benched for Mariota.
Cameron Fleming is quality, but he's also a backup G/T for NE.
Yankey is also a backup for Minnesota.
Benwikere was the only one I could think of that was drafted late 4th-early 5th that contributed heavily to their teams.
All the guys on that list are still on their teams as backups, so that automatically makes them better selections than Khari Fortt. Seriously, if you follow the draft at all, were you not shocked when the Saints selected Fortt in round 4? I was.
This post was edited on 5/3/15 at 6:59 pm
Posted on 5/3/15 at 7:11 pm to L.A.
No, because that was about where I expected him to go. I was more at shock they didn't address center at that point.
Posted on 5/3/15 at 7:34 pm to L.A.
The bottom line is that we got the players we wanted. We probably overpaid for some but I think in 2-3 years with Grayson and possibly Tull, we may have two major steals.
Posted on 5/3/15 at 7:53 pm to L.A.
Where did the experts have Colston, Pierre, and Khiry ranked? I'm just saying relying on mock drafts is silly. These guys are Saints now, let's freaking knuckle down and start rooting for them to be great and stop worrying about shite we can't control.
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