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re: Saints Defense Ranked No. 15
Posted on 10/4/11 at 10:57 am to BobBoucher
Posted on 10/4/11 at 10:57 am to BobBoucher
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When you have a top defense, youre always in the game with a chance to win because the game is kept close. (see LSU) Hence: Defense wins championships.
the Saints have that with the offense. See the Texans and Green Bay games this year. Green Bay is supposed to be a great defense.
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I think its becuase in general, top defenses are more consitent than top offenses... meaning, its rare to see a D that usually only allows 13 ppg, turn around and allow 31.
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(see LSU)
the NFL is a completely different league than college. Properties from college football no longer apply to the NFL. The NFL is a QB driven league.
6 straight Super Bowls have had a great offense in the mix. Good offenses can move the ball on great defenses these days. It works both ways. You can be successful with either
This post was edited on 10/4/11 at 11:00 am
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Posted on 10/4/11 at 11:04 am to TigerBait1127
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Good offenses can move the ball on great defenses these days. It works both ways. You can be successful with either
Offense is more likely to be stymied and have a bad day than a D. Id take a top ranked D with a 10th ranked O before ill take a top ranked O with a 10th ranked D.
For what its worth, there are no really good defenses this year so far.
Posted on 10/4/11 at 11:14 am to BobBoucher
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Offense is more likely to be stymied and have a bad day than a D.
i would love some statistics to back this up. Pitt played 2 great offenses last year and lost both games.
The Ravens went 2-2 against teams with good offense. They gave up 28, 24, 23, and 26.
The Jets went 2-2 and gave up 14, 9, 45 and 27.
you can win with either one, but to say this:
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I absolutely hate this comment. Its actually the other way around. with a 1 ranked D, all you need is a middle of the road Offense (because of forced turnovers and short fields).
is absurd. A good offense won't turn the ball, will reverse field position, and will always give you a shot if something goes wrong
This post was edited on 10/4/11 at 11:16 am
Posted on 10/4/11 at 11:18 am to BobBoucher
Look at who has been winning the Super Bowls lately. It's been mostly top offenses with some play makers on defense.
Posted on 10/4/11 at 11:19 am to Patrick O Rly
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Look at who has been winning the Super Bowls lately. It's been mostly top offenses with some play makers on defense.
Saints were 21st in defense when we won the Super Bowl. Our offense put pressure on other teams offenses and forced them into situations where we could get turnovers. It works both ways.
Posted on 10/4/11 at 11:24 am to TigerBait1127
Exactly, but in todays NFL (the way the rules are slanted towards offenses), you more likely to have success with an elite offense than a defense.
Posted on 10/4/11 at 11:56 am to TigerBait1127
quote:Dude, they didn't shut anybody down, go back and watch the game. Jacksonville was there own worse enemy because they stopped running and started passing more because of dumb coaching on there part, the second half they abandoned the run, and had the rookie QB passing a lot.
He had 2 big runs in the game. We shut him down outside of that.
The DLine has yet to look stellar against the run inspite of the 2 big FA they signed, as I mentioned earlier they should start Aubrayo along side Rogers because Ellis is starting to look like the weak link to me, he hasn't lived up to his No. 1 status.
This post was edited on 10/4/11 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 10/4/11 at 12:18 pm to tubucoco
So the Jags beat themselves? We didn't beat them?
Posted on 10/4/11 at 12:30 pm to tubucoco
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Dude, they didn't shut anybody down, go back and watch the game. Jacksonville was there own worse enemy because they stopped running and started passing more because of dumb coaching on there part, the second half they abandoned the run, and had the rookie QB passing a lot.
Could be because they were down the whole game because of our Offense.
The old schoolers just haven't adapted yet to the reasoning that good Offense and mediocre D can win just as much as a mediocre offense and good defense.
And yes, good defense keeps teams like LSU and the Baltimore Ravens and Steelers in games.
When was the last time you remember the Saints getting blown out with their offense? 2006 NFC Champ game?
Posted on 10/4/11 at 12:33 pm to Patrick O Rly
in other words they played right into the Saints hands, you quit doing something that was working for you is dumb coaching as I said. They wouldn't have beat the Saints even though the Saints were playin bad that day, leaving chances to score TD's in the redzone in favor of FG's as Brees said, is not getting the job done.
but I can't speak for Jacksonvilles coach as to what he was thinking, but the DLine remains in shaky status against the run. Take Ellis out and go with the veteran lineup of Franklin and Rogers, bring Ellis off the bench, I don't know, we'll see how GW handles it down the road.
but I can't speak for Jacksonvilles coach as to what he was thinking, but the DLine remains in shaky status against the run. Take Ellis out and go with the veteran lineup of Franklin and Rogers, bring Ellis off the bench, I don't know, we'll see how GW handles it down the road.
Posted on 10/4/11 at 12:35 pm to josh336
it's a great thing, you are right, that the Saints has that great offense to fall back on, they could have beaten GB in spite of playin bad on the dfense, but at some point the D has got to step up because you can't keep outscoring teams.
Posted on 10/4/11 at 12:36 pm to tubucoco
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Top 10 against the run, how can that be? Maurice lil big man had almost a 100 yards off 10 carries.
MJJ had 0 yards off of 3 carries in the first half against the Saints. In the second half he had one huge run for over 40 yards and a few other decent runs but he was kept in check compared to what he does to other teams.
Posted on 10/4/11 at 12:36 pm to josh336
You think people would be happy with three sacks, an int, 10 points, and 274 yards of total offense. As a reference point, averaging 274 yards a game would put you at 28th in total offense and would put your defense at 1st.
This post was edited on 10/4/11 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 10/4/11 at 12:41 pm to tubucoco
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you can't keep outscoring teams.
yes we can
have you seen this offense?
Posted on 10/4/11 at 12:44 pm to tubucoco
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in other words they played right into the Saints hands, you quit doing something that was working for you is dumb coaching as I said.
What was working for them exactly? Before the game they just ran the ball all the time, so the Saints were caught a bit off guard when they came out slinging it as much as they did. It was effective a lil bit, but they were aided by Shanle's untimely facemask penalty.
They didn't really change the offensive gameplan in the second half, but they did start blitzing more. Their defense was effective. Their offense was a failure.
Posted on 10/4/11 at 12:45 pm to tubucoco
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the second half they abandoned the run,
MJD had 8 carries in the 2nd half compared to 3 in the 1st.
1st and 10 at JAC 9 M.Jones-Drew up the middle to JAX 5 for -4 yards. FUMBLES, and recovers at JAX 7. M.Jones-Drew to JAX 7 for no gain (S.Shanle).
2nd and 2 at JAC 28 M.Jones-Drew up the middle to JAX 30 for 2 yards (A.Franklin).
1st and 10 at JAC 30 M.Jones-Drew up the middle to JAX 30 for no gain (C.Jordan).
1st and 10 at JAC 20 M.Jones-Drew up the middle to NO 39 for 41 yards (M.Jenkins).
2nd and 10 at JAC 27 M.Jones-Drew up the middle to JAX 33 for 6 yards (R.Harper; J.Vilma).
1st and 10 at JAC 20 M.Jones-Drew right end to JAX 24 for 4 yards (J.Vilma).
1st and 10 at JAC 46 M.Jones-Drew up the middle to NO 49 for 5 yards (J.Greer).
1st and 10 at NO 28 M.Jones-Drew up the middle to NO 23 for 5 yards (S.Rogers).
2nd and 5 at NO 23 M.Jones-Drew up the middle to NO 20 for 3 yards (C.Jordan; R.Harper).
3rd and 1 at JAC 45 (Shotgun) M.Jones-Drew up the middle to NO 36 for 19 yards (M.Jenkins).
So outside of his 2 big gains, he had 2.4 ypc.
Jacksonville had 3 runs in the 1st quarter
3 runs in the 2nd
3 runs in the 3rd
5 runs in the 4th
This post was edited on 10/4/11 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 10/4/11 at 12:58 pm to TigerBait1127
Drew Jones had a total of what 11 carries? you get stopped here and there, that happens, but 11 carries is nothing. Jacksonville went with passing the ball a lot and failed a lot because of it. What I'm sayin is not hard, just that if they would have stuck with the run they probably break off a few more long runs by Drew becaue the Saints D is prone to giving up big plays, I haven't seen it improve yet, and am hoping it does so they can finally have some consistency.
but as I said, Jacksonville went with passing a lot and I'm glad they did because it backfired for them because they got stopped a lot. The Saints were not playin there best ball Sunday, we all know that, but they could still beat Jacksonville because they are the better team..
but as I said, Jacksonville went with passing a lot and I'm glad they did because it backfired for them because they got stopped a lot. The Saints were not playin there best ball Sunday, we all know that, but they could still beat Jacksonville because they are the better team..
This post was edited on 10/4/11 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 10/4/11 at 1:02 pm to tubucoco
Well I think they have faith in Gabbert and want to get him some action this season. He won't have the best year, but I think in the back of their minds this experience will be good for his career. They need some more help but Gabbert isn't too terrible. Certainly not a world beater either 
Posted on 10/4/11 at 1:05 pm to tubucoco
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but as I said, Jacksonville went with passing a lot and I'm glad they did because it backfired for them because they got stopped a lot. The Saints were not playin there best ball Sunday, we all know that, but they could still beat Jacksonville because they are the better team..
Pounding the ball isn't gonna work against a team like us unless your defense is getting turnovers hand over fist and are keeping the Saints off the score board. We went up 14-0 early. The pounding the ball went out the window at that point. They didn't play into our hands. We forced theirs. That's what you don't get.
Posted on 10/4/11 at 1:12 pm to Patrick O Rly
Pounding the ball against a team like the Saints won't work because of what? ther stellar D against the run? Oh, I get it, I don't think you do.
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