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re: Sean Payton should be fired immediately for his mishandling
Posted on 10/7/08 at 12:14 am to TigerDeacon
Posted on 10/7/08 at 12:14 am to TigerDeacon
contact and catch are two completely different things, if he says catch then he is a fricking retard, if he says contact then he is correct.
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Posted on 10/7/08 at 12:14 am to Bear Is Dead
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I don't understand why we are saying that we shouldn't put blame on Payton. Playcalling has been questionable for a while now, and the coach of an NFL team shouldn't be the reason for a loss anytime. Tampa Bay last year and now this! We are all overlooking the onside kick in the first half that was called for no reason when at the time the vikes couldn't move the ball at all on offense. Maybe Payton shouldn't be fired immediately, but he should never be a significant cause of any losses.
+700 billion
Posted on 10/7/08 at 12:17 am to Cracking
well Im not blaming the onside kick for the loss exclusively, but Im just making an example of an unneccessary gamble that really might not have been the smartest move at the time considering the vikings couldn't do anything on offense then. We give it to them in field goal range when we're only up by 3. Definately not the reason for losing the game but was a contributing factor.
Posted on 10/7/08 at 12:17 am to Cracking
payton has a college coach mentality....the way he yells at players and puts them in his doghouse....the way he lets one bad penalty throw him off his composure for a couple of plays...the way he gets piqued by media pressure and questioning of his questionable decisions...just wait and see as this team underachieves another season and how this guy bristles under the fire....lucky for him this city has a relatively tame media culture...new york, dallas, washington, philly, chicago, even green bay tears him up...he's just too hotheaded and young to have any of that sagelike wisdom yet...
Posted on 10/7/08 at 12:17 am to hendersonshands
yea, I edited my post before I even read any criticism. I think reggie is great in space after the catch, but seems to go down too easy with contact. he just doesn't make any LBs hesitant to lay the wood. When deuce was in his prime, LBs would hesitate because of deuce's size.
Posted on 10/7/08 at 12:22 am to Bear Is Dead
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Im just making an example of an unneccessary gamble that really might not have been the smartest move at the time considering the vikings couldn't do anything on offense then.
exactly
Posted on 10/7/08 at 12:43 am to TigerDeacon
We're not firing Payton. But, someone needs to tell him that his clock management needs work. He gambles a lot. Sometimes they pay off, but I've always been of the opinion that you pull off things like the on side kick, or double reverses, it's like your trying to get an immediate up. It's like saying you need these gimmicks to win.
Personally, I feel that Payton is too focused on gimmick plays, and quick fixes. Why not focus on the defense (which did play much better tonight), or clock management, or finding a consistent running game.
We will not win consistently without a solid running game.
Personally, I feel that Payton is too focused on gimmick plays, and quick fixes. Why not focus on the defense (which did play much better tonight), or clock management, or finding a consistent running game.
We will not win consistently without a solid running game.
Posted on 10/7/08 at 12:54 am to RaginCajunBO
gimmicks by definition are tricks that are designed to fool your opponent if used rarely and unexpectedly...if they are you base package, they don't work usually....its a sign of a poor coach who either doesn't realize the teams faults or seeks quick fixes as solutions.....
Posted on 10/7/08 at 2:27 am to TigerDeacon
This is hilarious.
First of all, Grammatica missing the FG PROVES that Payton was correct in passing on 2nd and 3rd down instead of settling for a long arse FG attempt. I'm glad Payton tried to play for the win and not be a pussy and play to kick a FG he knew we didnt have much shot of making.
The Vikings had all 3 timeouts left dipshit. They woulda just called a timeout. We miss the FG and they have 1:50 left and 2 timeouts, still PLENTY enough time to get in FG range.
THINK!!!
First of all, Grammatica missing the FG PROVES that Payton was correct in passing on 2nd and 3rd down instead of settling for a long arse FG attempt. I'm glad Payton tried to play for the win and not be a pussy and play to kick a FG he knew we didnt have much shot of making.
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TWO MINUTE WARNING. 3RD DOWN, RUN THE frickING BALL. TAKE ABOUT 45 SECONDS OFF THE CLOCK
The Vikings had all 3 timeouts left dipshit. They woulda just called a timeout. We miss the FG and they have 1:50 left and 2 timeouts, still PLENTY enough time to get in FG range.
THINK!!!
Posted on 10/7/08 at 2:35 am to shel311
we should of ran on atleast second down, which would of brought the clock to two minutes. now say that run gains a yard and puts the ball in the middle of field 2 minute warning. okay next play is either run or pass run for no gain, pass incomplete. If its run the clock runs down until minnesota takes a timeout. if its incomplete minnesota can save its time out. so lets say we run and minnesota uses the timeout
2 scenarios they have one less timeout and we have a slightly easier fg because we're in the middle of the field and not at the hashmark.
but that didn't happen, i'm not the coach, so none of it matters.
2 scenarios they have one less timeout and we have a slightly easier fg because we're in the middle of the field and not at the hashmark.
but that didn't happen, i'm not the coach, so none of it matters.
Posted on 10/7/08 at 2:38 am to cene
either way deuce and reggie should've been on the field on both plays.....instead we had stecker in there...
at some point payton needs to address the deuce situation headon instead of pussyfooting around...either let him go or play him...or trade him. deuce deserves betters as do the fans...as does the team which can use his help or the help of whomever he garners in a trade...
at some point payton needs to address the deuce situation headon instead of pussyfooting around...either let him go or play him...or trade him. deuce deserves betters as do the fans...as does the team which can use his help or the help of whomever he garners in a trade...
Posted on 10/7/08 at 2:41 am to cene
Grammatica wasn't gonna make that FG no matter where it was lined up, lol.
The Vikings at worst, were gonna get the ball in good field position with just under 2 minutes left, PLENTY of time to drive and get in FG range.
If we run 3 times, people bitch that we settled for a FG.
If we pass 3 times, people bitch that we didnt make them use there timeouts. Payton is fricked no matter what he does.
Personally, knowing Grammatica sucks arse and didnt have much chance of hitting that FG, If i were Payton, I woulda passed all 3 downs, giving the Saints the BEST chance of getting a 1st down.
I wouldn't have gone conservative to settle for a FG til we were inside the 20.
The Vikings at worst, were gonna get the ball in good field position with just under 2 minutes left, PLENTY of time to drive and get in FG range.
If we run 3 times, people bitch that we settled for a FG.
If we pass 3 times, people bitch that we didnt make them use there timeouts. Payton is fricked no matter what he does.
Personally, knowing Grammatica sucks arse and didnt have much chance of hitting that FG, If i were Payton, I woulda passed all 3 downs, giving the Saints the BEST chance of getting a 1st down.
I wouldn't have gone conservative to settle for a FG til we were inside the 20.
Posted on 10/7/08 at 2:43 am to shel311
run deuce at least once....so at least on 3rd down playaction is credible....
payton doesn't seem to understand that if you run the ball 16 times and pass over 45 no one believes your play action....
payton doesn't seem to understand that if you run the ball 16 times and pass over 45 no one believes your play action....
Posted on 10/7/08 at 2:47 am to tennisanyone2
i agree 100 percent thats why i call him "notsoautomatica". Personally i still think david on berrian was a mistake, although i still think his positioning on the play was fine and that KK blew his assignment causing the penalty.
Posted on 10/7/08 at 2:48 am to TigerDeacon
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The game was TIED and the Saints were in FG range with a little over 2 minutes left and Payton finds a way to lose a game again.
So Payton turned the ball over 3 times in the first half...had a kick blocked for a TD...AND missed a potential game-winning field goal??? ALL Payton...I see...
Posted on 10/7/08 at 2:50 am to tennisanyone2
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run deuce at least once....so at least on 3rd down playaction is credible....
It woulda been 3rd and 8 or 9, play action would NOT have fooled anyone.
Posted on 10/7/08 at 2:51 am to shel311
on 3rd and 5 it works...deuce is very capable of picking up 3 yds....
Posted on 10/7/08 at 2:51 am to shel311
Any way we can bring Taylor Mehlhaff back to kick for us???
Posted on 10/7/08 at 2:52 am to RaginCajunBO
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We're not firing Payton. But, someone needs to tell him that his clock management needs work. He gambles a lot. Sometimes they pay off, but I've always been of the opinion that you pull off things like the on side kick, or double reverses, it's like your trying to get an immediate up. It's like saying you need these gimmicks to win.
Personally, I feel that Payton is too focused on gimmick plays, and quick fixes. Why not focus on the defense (which did play much better tonight), or clock management, or finding a consistent running game.
We will not win consistently without a solid running game.
Best all around post I've seen in this thread so far...
Posted on 10/7/08 at 2:54 am to tennisanyone2
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3rd and 5 it works...deuce is very capable of picking up 3 yds....
Sure, he is CAPABLE of doing so, but he finished with 6 carries for 12 yards, and that play on 2nd down, the Vikings were playing for the run, so the chances of Deuce gaining 3 yards was VERY slim.
Drew Brees is the best QB in the NFL right now, so we are even more capable of completing a pass for a 1st down, it just didnt happen.
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