Okie State lost to a team that finished the regular season 6-6 and finished 8th in the conference. They were out-gained on the ground and through the air. They turned the ball over 5 times. That's a pretty big factor in the minds of the voters.

Bama, on the other hand, played LSU about as evenly as two teams can play. Bama was a better team than Okie State that year.

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Posted on 4/20/13 at 7:44 am to Sho Nuff

Thank you for saying what I couldn't get out as articulately as you

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Posted on 4/20/13 at 7:49 am to Sho Nuff

What if we just talked about the Saints on this board?

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Posted by St Augustine

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Posted on 4/20/13 at 8:15 am to Sho Nuff

My you seem angry for someone that lives in Hawaii. What's the matter Haole, the island boys kick your arse again?

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You put up a whiney face like a child because I and many others think LSU got fricked?

Well considering your need for personal insults and general douche baggery I'd say you are "putting on a whiny face" a tad bit more.

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I can easily refute Bama being the right team in the NC.

Well then it wasn't as easy as you thought as you do a pretty poor job.

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You know how I know you're a Bama fan or just a gravy swallower?

Actually I'd love to know. How exactly did I supposedly become a Bama fan over the school I graduated from and camped out for tickets for? By thinking that a dominant 20-0 victory where we couldn't score much less get a handful of first downs was more impressive than a 9-6 win? As far as the "gravy swallower" aspect, I will try to suck only 2-3 dicks on my way to work this morning...deal?

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While LSU did shite the bed, Bama should not have even been in the game.

So Bama didn't have anything to do with the win? It was all LSU shitting the bed?

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LSU was 13-0 going into the game. Bama only had to play 12 games and went 11-1. Name the big games they won. They had 2 good wins.

And LSU was awarded the number 1 ranking and a spot in the national title game for their achievements. I'm sorry if my post about us not belonging on the field was poorly worded. We obviously belonged in the game. I was referring more to our quality of play once we were actually in the game. We were outclassed in all aspects of the game save for maybe punting. If this is the motivation behind your shitty post then hopefully I cleaned it up for you.

Do you not understand that LSU and Bama's participation in the national title game were not dependent upon one another? We were awarded our spot by our achievements which included beating Alabama and the SEC title game. Bama was awarded their spot because they were considered the second best team in the nation in a weird year (and the voters/system obviously got it correctly due to their absolute destruction of us in the title game). You clearly state yourself that

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Had LSU played OSU, LSU has another BcS trophy.

which while presumptuous is likely very true. Would you not think that the team who physically dominated LSU and shut us out is not more deserving of the 2nd spot than the team LSU likely would've handled?

AGAIN...THE TWO TITLE GAME PARTICIPANTS ARE NOT DEPENDENT UPON ONE ANOTHER. It wasn't particularly fair for us, but that it motherfricking life.

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You are a joke.

Says the guy who resorts to insults and lots of dick sucking references in a debate about a bunch of 18-22 year old kids.

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Let's just look at this for a second. LSU won the first game.

Yep...which propelled us into the NC game, likely even if we dropped another game along the way. It was a huge win at the time.

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Had LSU played OSU, LSU has another BcS trophy. LSU has 3 BcS Championships going into 2012.

But we didn't, we played the best team in college football that year based on the criteria established to determine such. And lost...BADLY, thus giving us 2 bcs championships.

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I'm not sure if you watched the game this past Nov cause you might have been too busy giving head to your nearest Bama brother, but LSU was winning with 1 minute to go.

I'm actually presently too cum drunk to remember, but I believed I did catch that game. Jog my mind as to how it ended again?

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You're saying omnipotent Bama is and was the "dominant program" but the reality is Bama got a mulligan in 2011 and they got a gift from the moron Miles in 2012.

Link to where I called Bama omnipotent...but solid diction coming from you nonetheless.

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1 minute from going to UGA for the 2nd consecutive year and you want to call Bama dominant and act like LSU is a scrub compared to them?

So we have the "moron" head coach while they have the evil genius...sorry if you can't read the writing on the wall for a few years.

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Get real Bama boy.

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Posted on 4/20/13 at 8:17 am to St Augustine

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AGAIN...THE TWO TITLE GAME PARTICIPANTS ARE NOT DEPENDENT UPON ONE ANOTHER

Thank you.

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Posted on 4/20/13 at 3:20 pm to cuddlemonkey

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Bama, on the other hand, played LSU about as evenly as two teams can play.

Never said otherwise.

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Bama was a better team than Okie State that year.

You don't know that. I think you're probably right, but Bama did not play Okie. What we do KNOW, is that Bama lost at home in the game that should have mattered.

Listen, you and I both know if roles were reversed and Okie got in over Bama while Bama had the better SOS, ranked wins, etc you would be shitting bricks as would any Tide fan. Bama got in because of SEC bias plain and simple.

Explain previous years and why teams didn't get the same treatment? Michigan 2006 and Kansas 2007 are the 2 easiest ones that come to mind.

I don't blame you, as a Tide fan, for being happy. And Bama sure as hell played to win. But don't try to sell us this horseshite that because Bama had a "better" loss, that should trump all other factors to get them to the game. It's intellectually dishonest.

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Posted by Sho Nuff

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Posted on 4/20/13 at 3:21 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin

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What if we just talked about the Saints on this board?

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Posted by Sho Nuff

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Posted on 4/20/13 at 3:36 pm to St Augustine

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My you seem angry

Haha, there it is! The cool kid saying. That should end the debate there, right? Not angry, just embarrassed for a supposed "LSU fan" to be swallowing so much, that's all. Unlike you, I actually stand up for my alma mater.

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What's the matter Haole

So much win there. You're presumably a white dude or from the mainland, ya? Then you should know how fricking dumb you just came across.

It's real simple, instead of acting like a 10 year old using a whiney face, all you had to do was come with some actual facts. You used your ridiculous opinion and tried to pass it as fact that "Bama is and was the dominant program". Completely skipping over that without the SEC bias, Bama doesn't even get to the game.

You either being purposely obtuse, or you are a complete moron. People aren't talking about the NC game, which Bama clearly won fair and square. We're talking about GETTING to the game.

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Link to where I called Bama omnipotent...but solid diction coming from you nonetheless.

Ahh, now we're getting in a game of semantics! You called Bama the dominant program then and now. You glossed over the mulligan and made it seem like LSU was a scrub with that type of statement after a 13-0 campaign playing one of the toughest skeds in recent memory. Bama literally sat at home while LSU was playing yet another top ranked team on the road.

Bama won. LSU sucked in the NC, but that erases an entire season and makes Bama the dominant team? Surely you jest.

Also, how is Bama "dominant" when with a little over a minute Bama was losing and LSU was headed to the SEC Championship game? Yes, Bama did end up winning, but the "dominant" talk is just plain BS. Especially from an LSU "fan".

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But we didn't, we played the best team in college football that year based on the criteria established to determine such.

bullshite. Please enlighten us mere mortals as to what Bama had over Okie that made them the "best"?

You're like a gump completely glossing over SOS, ranked wins, winning %, conference champ, etc. Holy shite, could you imagine the uproar if Bama was left out of a title game because Okie had the "better" loss? If you were a true LSU fan, you'd see the BcS fricked Okie (and LSU) GETTING to the NC. LSU certainly did themselves no favor once there, but without the knowledge of what happened, how can you call Bama dominant? A team that's losing with a minute to go is dominant?

Now please, come back with "you sound angry" and please call me a "haole" again. That shite is hilarious.

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Posted on 4/20/13 at 4:09 pm to Sho Nuff

Last thing I'll say about it is this since this is a saints board. I don't think Bama deserved to be there but they were so you have to beat them. I also don't think Bama was the best team that year. I think them and lsu were 1a 1b. Unfortunately lsu got the shite kicked out of them the last game so that's what everyone remembers.

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Posted by St Augustine

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Posted on 4/20/13 at 5:08 pm to Sho Nuff

Last post as well being that it is a Saints board and I obviously have more swallowing to do.

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Not angry, just embarrassed for a supposed "LSU fan" to be swallowing so much, that's all.

Your old standby insult...glad we got it out of the way.

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Unlike you, I actually stand up for my alma mater.

There is nothing to "stand up for" we were the only team to ever get shut out in a BCS bowl game. We didn't come out flat, we didn't make mental mistakes, we got the ever living shite beat out of us in arguably the biggest game in the history of the program. We gained 92 yards in the ENTIRE game. We averaged 1.5 yards a rush and completed 11 passes for less than 5 yards per pass. We got beat 21-0. There is no defending that.

I was PISSED that we had to play Bama again like everyone else. I wanted Ok State in because we likely would've worn them down and pulled away like we did everyone else that year not named Bama. But after the NCG arse beating there is nothing to say besides Bama was obviously the better team overall. I dislike Bama more than anyone not named Florida (although I don't care that much about college sports as I get older and my priorities change), but I'm not going to pretend that they didn't beat our arse and likely wouldn't win 6 or 7 out of 10 times on a neutral field against us. That is what I refer to as dominant. Maybe that was too strong a word, I don't know. They have just as good, if not better talent than LSU, they have more titles, they have the best coach in the nation...so yeah advantage Bama...sorry for the perspective.

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So much win there. You're presumably a white dude or from the mainland, ya? Then you should know how fricking dumb you just came across.

In case you didn't realize, I was kidding around a lot in my last post. I was debating between a shave ice reference, a spam one, and a Haole one, Haole won out...Terrible choice on my part. It was a joke but you're obviously wound way too tight about this entire ordeal to see that (or just not that intelligent).

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It's real simple, instead of acting like a 10 year old using a whiney face

Again what does this mean. YOU are the one obsessed with fellatio references, YOU are the one getting worked up and using personal attacks, you are the one asking for actual facts while passing of opinions as such so chill the frick out and act like a godamn adult...unless you're some NAVY brat posting from dad's computer.

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Completely skipping over that without the SEC bias, Bama doesn't even get to the game.

Agreed. I hate the SEC chest thumping. But Bama proved they definitely belonged in the NCG. You yourself stated that LSU would've won if Ok State got in. We have no way to prove it, but I completely agree. They didn't have the NFL prospects Bama had on defense, the Oline, the running backs, or near the depth. I would say they had a better qb than Bama but I think a ton of it was due to the nature of both team's offense. McCarron has proven that he can lead a team down really quickly against solid defenses on multiple occasions, one unfortunately against us.

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People aren't talking about the NC game, which Bama clearly won fair and square. We're talking about GETTING to the game.

Again, I didn't want to play Bama again because I thought they had a much better shot at beating us. However Vegas obviously viewed them as a much better team than Ok State as did most pundits, and Bama proved to be the better team in the title game. So I'm not going to really bitch about them getting in, I will admit that I was initially wrong. Bama won the title in the most dominating fashion in BCS history over the unanimously ranked number 1 team going in. That has to mean SOMETHING. I always viewed the BCS as a system that tried (and sometimes failed) to get the best two teams in the title game. I think they did that, and Bama ran with it.

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Ahh, now we're getting in a game of semantics! You called Bama the dominant program then and now.

As I think they are. They would win against LSU more than they lose under the current regimes. Again maybe dominant was too strong a term, but it was probably you just overreacting (see Haole).

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You glossed over the mulligan and made it seem like LSU was a scrub with that type of statement after a 13-0 campaign playing one of the toughest skeds in recent memory. Bama literally sat at home while LSU was playing yet another top ranked team on the road.

No I didn't. I said it was a weird year. I didn't say LSU was a scrub...that's your shitty interpretation of what I typed. I did say that they weren't as good a program as Bama and I stand by that. There is no shame in that, Bama is the best program in the country since Saban has gotten things rolling.

They can't change on the fly and not allow Bama in if that's what the system determines is the 2nd participant. It was an unbelievably fricked up scenario but should the score been reversed in Tuscaloosa then we likely would've been given the same benefit of the doubt Bama was.

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Bama won. LSU sucked in the NC, but that erases an entire season and makes Bama the dominant team? Surely you jest.

Well the idea is to win the NC, not the regular season. Both teams put themselves in position to win the NC under the current system and Bama dominated LSU. So no, I don't really jest.

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Also, how is Bama "dominant" when with a little over a minute Bama was losing and LSU was headed to the SEC Championship game? Yes, Bama did end up winning, but the "dominant" talk is just plain BS. Especially from an LSU "fan".

Not typing this out again. See my above apology for the dominant mistake that obviously sent you over the edge. Bama is a better program under Saban than LSU is under miles and will remain so while they are both the respective head coaches. Happy?

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bullshite. Please enlighten us mere mortals as to what Bama had over Okie that made them the "best"?

Well the fact that the system to put teams in a the title game (that has been changed several times) that we were all playing by put them in is a pretty big one. The idea that everyone seems to think LSU would've handled Ok State and got their asses handed to them by Bama is about the only other one.

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You're like a gump completely glossing over SOS, ranked wins, winning %, conference champ, etc. Holy shite, could you imagine the uproar if Bama was left out of a title game because Okie had the "better" loss?

Again, I wanted Ok State at the time. Bama shut everyone up by proving they belonged in the game...I've accepted that a long time ago because there are a lot more important things to worry about. I guess we could've gotten another title by beating an inferior team. It's happened in the past when Miami was left out of title games.

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If you were a true LSU fan, you'd see the BcS fricked Okie (and LSU) GETTING to the NC.

Ah the play on being a true fan, that's quite the entitled and biased view you have on the entire situation. LSU frickED THEMSELVES BY LAYING A GODAMN EGG. It's not the BCS's job to cater to any team, simply make the game between who they determine are numbers 1 and 2.

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LSU certainly did themselves no favor once there, but without the knowledge of what happened, how can you call Bama dominant? A team that's losing with a minute to go is dominant?

Not sure what you're getting at here? I'm only going what I saw in the title game for 4 miserable hours. That was DOMINATION. We've covered the other usage of dominant.

And yeah...you do sound angry. Or maybe you're just an overzealous kid. I don't really know. Go have a beer if you're old enough, you kinda need it.

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Posted by Sho Nuff

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Posted on 4/20/13 at 5:21 pm to St Augustine

Haha, the chump who uses whiney faces, instead of debating substance, is calling me a kid.

"You sound angry", "your dad's computer"

I'm surprised you didn't slip in the obligatory "mom's basement" reference in there.

And surprise, surprise, you're still talking about after the NC game instead of GETTING to the game. Strawman say hello to St Aug.

Maybe next time you'll bring something better "kid"

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Posted by St Augustine

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Posted on 4/20/13 at 5:26 pm to Sho Nuff

Glad that's all you got from that. But hey you made it through an entire post without using one oral sex reference so congrats on that!