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re: Who Starts Game 1?
Posted on 4/27/25 at 8:20 am to Bayou
Posted on 4/27/25 at 8:20 am to Bayou
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I don't think they picked him to start right away.
you don't take a guy that old to sit around and learn for a few years... they absolutely are banking on him coming in and making an impact right away...
he's fricking 26 at the early part of the season... how many years you wanna give him? and furthermore, if you do take the "give him time" route, does that mean we are not going QB next year, if we are in the position (which we likely will be) to get one of the top QBs in next year's draft, which is a much better QB crop?
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Rattler is better all around.
I agree... which is why when Dart came off the board, we should have been completely out of the QB market in this draft, but as you can see, we panicked and did what we did....
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Posted on 4/27/25 at 8:27 am to eddieray
Maybe they just drafted their backup QB and when they end up at the same or better draft position next year they pick the starter QB
Posted on 4/27/25 at 8:32 am to TheBeezer
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Maybe they just drafted their backup QB
you don't use a top 50 pick to get a backup QB... you don't want to continue to use that much draft capital, in subsequent years, at the same position, either... having to pick the same position, so high in the draft, hurts the overall team b/c you are not able to address other positions with high level players, when you are drafting the same positions over and over and over
its one of the reasons the Banks pick was so scrutinized... having to go OT, again, for the 3rd time in 4 years, meant we had to miss out on edge rushers, CBs, etc.....
Posted on 4/27/25 at 8:46 am to chRxis
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Arch Manning Nico Iamaleava Drew Allar Lanorris Sellers Garrett Nussmeier Cade Klubnick Sam Leavittt John Mateer Carson Beck Haynes King
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very good QB class
I feel like people haven’t watched half these guys play. Nussmeier and Arch are obviously intriguing.
But anyone who has seen Nico and Allar play and is calling them a top prospect loses a lot of credibility in my eyes.
Posted on 4/27/25 at 8:51 am to The Easter Bunny
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Yeah, if Carr is healthy he starts. Otherwise Rattler
Carr is playing possum.
Posted on 4/27/25 at 8:59 am to Swagga
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But anyone who has seen Nico and Allar play and is calling them a top prospect loses a lot of credibility in my eyes.
you may want to talk to PFF, CBS, USA Today, Kiper, etc...
both of those guys are better, a lot better actually, than Shough.... both took Power 5 clubs to the playoffs... and look, I don't like Nico, so shite, take him off the list if you want... but the fact remains that if Shough was in this class too, how many of you would angling for Shough still? y'all still knighting for him, saying we got a good one?
Posted on 4/27/25 at 9:05 am to chRxis
I'm saying if that is who CKM wants?
He gets. Let's ride hope for the best.
Your same experts had Sanders going 2nd qb.
So why quote them all now as avatars of right thinking?
He gets. Let's ride hope for the best.
Your same experts had Sanders going 2nd qb.
So why quote them all now as avatars of right thinking?
Posted on 4/27/25 at 9:18 am to goatmilker
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Your same experts had Sanders going 2nd qb.
and if Sanders wouldn't have been a COMPLETE asshat during his interviews and with how he carried himself throughout the entire process, he would have been... but he didn't, and it cost him....
but this isn't about Sanders... it's about our inability to fully see the big picture, as an organization... look at the landscape in the NFL... look at our roster vs. other rosters... we just got done with the draft and we still have major holes at some positions (WR, CB)...
let's be honest... we are NOT competing for any deep playoff runs this year... our QB1 doesn't even want to be associated with nor near the team... we have a 1st year HC... we have an old roster... we are not one or two players away from getting over the hump...
you can hope all you want, but these are the facts... trying to act like these things aren't true doesn't make you a superfan, it makes you delusional, like our FO
Posted on 4/27/25 at 9:54 am to chRxis
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both of those guys are better, a lot better actually, than Shough...
BS
Allar is hot garbage. His team made it to the playoffs in spite of him. Inaccurate down the field, can’t read a defense, makes a boneheaded play or two every game. He has been a bust at PSU (relative to 5-star status) and will likely be ok NFL too.
Nico not only quit on his team but is regarded as a project at best.
Either of these guys could be better than Shough but they aren’t today and no guarantee that they ever will be.
Posted on 4/27/25 at 9:59 am to chRxis
We spent 9 draft picks on 9 different positions you idiot. If that's not trying to patch the many holes we have I don't know what is jfc.
Posted on 4/27/25 at 10:04 am to chRxis
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both of those guys are better, a lot better actually, than Shough.... both took Power 5 clubs to the playoffs...
strongly disagree. Nico’s own team just sent him packing when he asked for a raise and Allar legit cost Penn state the game against ND.
Shough went for 270 and 3 touchdowns against that same Notre dame team with a lot less help around him.
Posted on 4/27/25 at 10:05 am to goatmilker
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9 draft picks on 9 different positions you idiot
again, myopic...
but step back and look at the last 3 draft before this one... we've drafted OT, in the 1st round 3 of the last 4 years... only 2 can play at a time bro, and you ain't trying to find back ups in the 1st, do please, PLEASE don't say anything about "depth"
DT, we've drafted 2, and used draft capital to trade for 2... and still took another one
QB- drafted 2 recently and reached for 1 this year, when next year's crop is better...
that's why you can't just look at this ONE draft and think we knocked it out the park... b/c the overall view is much, much worse
Posted on 4/27/25 at 10:08 am to chRxis
It's a new staff. Bring up old drafts and old records all you want. We know. We are not a good team now or then. You figured it out dude. Your a genius.
Posted on 4/27/25 at 10:19 am to Swagga
i'll let y'all selectively ignore all of the other prospects, conveniently, as if i'm actually advocating for either of these guys, specifically...
interesting y'all aren't contending Shough vs. Manning, Nuss, Seller, etc.... it's ok... i know...
but let's look at some stats:
QB A 62.9%, 6302 yds, 53 TD, 10 Int, 144.0 rat
QB B 63.0%, 7820 yds, 59 TD, 23 Int, 147.7 rat
who's who?
interesting y'all aren't contending Shough vs. Manning, Nuss, Seller, etc.... it's ok... i know...
but let's look at some stats:
QB A 62.9%, 6302 yds, 53 TD, 10 Int, 144.0 rat
QB B 63.0%, 7820 yds, 59 TD, 23 Int, 147.7 rat
who's who?
Posted on 4/27/25 at 11:08 am to chRxis
I see what you are saying. We have made bad picks before and because those past picks were bad then these picks to make up for those bad picks are in and of themselves bad picks as well.
Interesting
Interesting
Posted on 4/27/25 at 11:14 am to chRxis
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Shough doesn't have "years" to figure it out... he's way too old for that shite... he's gotta come in ready to go, now... that typical developmental window isn't really there for him, given he's 26 basically at the start of the season...
shough pretty much has to win the starting job and finish in the 20-25 range of starting qbs for us not to take a rnd 1 qb next year. would love for him to light it up and prove everyone wrong.
Posted on 4/27/25 at 11:14 am to eddieray
Underhill fully expects it to be Shough.
Posted on 4/27/25 at 11:17 am to goatmilker
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Your a genius.
i'm not... but I do know when to use "you're" vs. "your", so I got that going for me...
Posted on 4/27/25 at 11:18 am to chRxis
Got me
Posted on 4/27/25 at 11:21 am to Irish Knuckles
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would love for him to light it up and prove everyone wrong.
EVERYONE, including me, would love that... but given what he's shown thus far, and that he's about to go against BETTER competition, I have a hard time seeing it...
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for us not to take a rnd 1 qb next year.
and that's why I have such a problem with the pick... investing more draft capital, in the very next draft at the same position, a position where you only have 1 guy on the field at a time.... if you go WR or CB in back to back year, that's totally understandable... but to go QB in the top 2 rounds in back to back years, that's what limits your ability to add to the overall talent level across the board... same as why the OT in 3 of the past 4 years stings as much as it does
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