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re: 80th anniversary of the 2nd atomic bomb
Posted on 8/9/25 at 5:07 pm to CapstoneGrad06
Posted on 8/9/25 at 5:07 pm to CapstoneGrad06
My grandfather was set to be part of Operation Downfall. I imagine I would not be posting on Tigerdroppings this lovely August day without the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombs.
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That Operation was scheduled for November, a mere 90 days later.
My Dad was home but likely heading back to the Pacific.
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That Operation was scheduled for November, a mere 90 days later.
My Dad was home but likely heading back to the Pacific.
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Posted on 8/9/25 at 5:11 pm to PetermanFanClub
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I agree, countless lives were saved by dropping the two bombs. But we intentionally destroyed 200,000 men, women, and children. This was tragic. We did not target soldiers or military installations. We targeted cities. I believe it was immoral, even if we did so to try and end the war.
False. Both Hiroshima and Nagasaki were integral to the defense of the Home Islands.
Hiroshima was the headquarters of the 2nd General Army. This was Japan’s equivalent to an Allied Army Group. 2nd General Army was the formation responsible for the defense of Southern Japan. Southern Japan was where the initial landings were planned to take place in the planned invasion of Japan. Taking out the command and control of the defense of Southern Japan was absolutely a military target. In fact, two of Japan’s best infantry divisions were both headquarter and stationed in Hiroshima. They were intended be used as the main counterattack force against any American landings in Southern Japan. Also, Hiroshima was a concentration point for ammunition and supplies that were to be used against anticipated American landings. In addition to this, Hiroshima was a major naval port.
As for Nagasaki, it was one of Japan’s major ship building ports, in fact the last one Japan had that was somewhat intact. Nagasaki was also, like Hiroshima, one of the major supply depots for the defense of Southern Japan.
You have to look at this not with the benefit of hindsight, but from the perspective of the men who had to make the decisions at that time. They had no way to know if the bombs would convince Japan to surrender. They were not going to waste two atomic bombs without getting some sort of benefit that would serve us in case the invasion of Japan would have to take place.
This post was edited on 8/9/25 at 5:13 pm
Posted on 8/9/25 at 5:42 pm to PetermanFanClub
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I agree, countless lives were saved by dropping the two bombs. But we intentionally destroyed 200,000 men, women, and children. This was tragic. We did not target soldiers or military installations. We targeted cities. I believe it was immoral, even if we did so to try and end the war.
Whatever you say Tucker Carlson. Does anyone believe that Japan or Germany wouldn’t have done the same to us if they had the chance? I don’t get this moral high ground take on something that happened 80 years ago during a literal World War.
Posted on 8/9/25 at 6:07 pm to UASports23
Something about the different cultures, but I can’t put my finger on it.
Posted on 8/9/25 at 6:15 pm to ItzMe1972
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My Dad was home but likely heading back to the Pacific.
My Dad came back from Italy and after a leave, he was at an air base in S.D. training on the gunnery systems on B-29's for assignment to the Pacific when the bombs were dropped.
Every WW2 vet I ever knew fully supported Truman's decision.
Posted on 8/9/25 at 10:01 pm to gizmothepug
Should we commit an evil act to prevent a greater evil?
I also wonder if we would do the same today. That is, drop nuclear bombs on enemy cities to bring a war to an end.
I also wonder if we would do the same today. That is, drop nuclear bombs on enemy cities to bring a war to an end.
Posted on 8/9/25 at 10:04 pm to PetermanFanClub
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Should we commit an evil act to prevent a greater evil?
War in and of itself is and evil act. The most humane thing to do is to end it with as little loss of life as possible. That’s what the A-bomb did. Was it terrible? Absolutely. But there were no good options at the time. The A-bomb was simply the least horrible.
Posted on 8/9/25 at 10:14 pm to Darth_Vader
Not all war is inherently evil. There is such thing as just war.
Posted on 8/9/25 at 10:15 pm to PetermanFanClub
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Should we commit an evil act to prevent a greater evil?
I don’t think it was evil, I think it was necessary. I know a lot of us wouldn’t be posting on this board if our fathers, grandfathers and great grandfathers had to invade Japan.
Posted on 8/10/25 at 1:01 am to bigjoe1
My father was career Air Force, served tail end of WW2 and all of the Korean conflict. Photo below is a roof tile found near Hiroshima blast ground zero.
It sat on his home desk as we kids grew up, never truly understanding its underlying, enormous significance. No idea why he was in Hiroshima in late 1950, other than preparing for Korea.
Typical of his generation, he spoke little of his time in war, and we realized too late to gently press him about it.
"The Greatest Generation" indeed.
It sat on his home desk as we kids grew up, never truly understanding its underlying, enormous significance. No idea why he was in Hiroshima in late 1950, other than preparing for Korea.
Typical of his generation, he spoke little of his time in war, and we realized too late to gently press him about it.
"The Greatest Generation" indeed.
Posted on 8/10/25 at 7:15 am to bigjoe1
They say the 80th year anniversary of an atomic bomb drop is one of the most important.
Posted on 8/10/25 at 7:29 am to Darth_Vader
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As for Nagasaki, it was one of Japan’s major ship building ports, in fact the last one Japan had that was somewhat intact. Nagasaki was also, like Hiroshima, one of the major supply depots for the defense of Southern Japan.
How much ship building was really capable in Japan in Aug 1945 with naval blockades and submarine dominance by the allies causing fuel and supply disruptions?
And after the bomb, were these ship building ports destroyed?
Posted on 8/10/25 at 7:31 am to Cuz413
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Posted on 8/10/25 at 7:40 am to bigjoe1
Grandfather was in the 509th composite group He was on Tinian , had lots of stories to share 
Posted on 8/10/25 at 7:51 am to LSUCooper
Things dat go boom!
Salute to all WWII veterans.
Salute to all WWII veterans.
Posted on 8/10/25 at 8:13 am to ItzMe1972
That was a really good watch! Thanks for the link.
Posted on 8/10/25 at 8:16 am to Clames
Hiroshima assumed it was just a weather or recon flight.
Nagasaki thought the reports from Hiroshima were Chuck Norris tall tales. One guy from Nagasaki was in Hiroshima three days earlier and was describing it to his boss. The boss rolled his eyes and wasn't buying it. Then they saw a flash and the Hiroshima survivor yelled "Like that! Get down!" and threw the boss under the desk.
Nagasaki thought the reports from Hiroshima were Chuck Norris tall tales. One guy from Nagasaki was in Hiroshima three days earlier and was describing it to his boss. The boss rolled his eyes and wasn't buying it. Then they saw a flash and the Hiroshima survivor yelled "Like that! Get down!" and threw the boss under the desk.
Posted on 8/10/25 at 8:42 am to Cuz413
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How much ship building was really capable in Japan in Aug 1945 with naval blockades and submarine dominance by the allies causing fuel and supply disruptions?
Agin, when discussing matters like this, you have to do so from the perspective of that time. Hindsight cannot be allowed to factor in when judging decisions made at that time.
As for your question, the shipbuilding facilities were intact for the most part before the bomb was dropped. The Mitsubishi Heavy Industries shipyards were less than 2,000 meters from the initial blast and suffered almost complete destruction.
This post was edited on 8/10/25 at 8:43 am
Posted on 8/10/25 at 8:48 am to PetermanFanClub
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We did not target soldiers or military installations. We targeted cities. I believe it was immoral, even if we did so to try and end the war.
Tell me you don’t understand WWII Japanese production chains without telling me you don’t understand WWII Japanese production chains.
Posted on 8/10/25 at 8:58 am to beerJeep
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Tell me you don’t understand WWII Japanese production chains without telling me you don’t understand WWII Japanese production chains.
Yeah, the notion that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were not legitimate military targets is nothing more than a post-war myth made up by history revisionist white an agenda to make the US into the bad guy. This myth has no basis in truth as I spelled out a page or two ago.
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