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re: ACT scores fall to 30 year low
Posted on 10/14/23 at 6:17 pm to Evolved Simian
Posted on 10/14/23 at 6:17 pm to Evolved Simian
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If you graduated 33 years ago, I'm pretty sure the highest possible score was 34.5 (rounded up to 35). Average scores went up a decent amount when they switched to a maximum 36.0 later that year.
I'm pretty sure that the 36 was the maximum when I took the ACT in either 1974 or 1975. I tried to look up the maximum possible score for that time frame, but couldn't definitively verify it. Tables of scores from 1968 into the 2000's stated that 36 was the maximum score.
ETA: From what I read, they definitely monkeyed around with the test. They shifted away from testing acquired knowledge on subjects to more abstract reasoning and reading retention.
This post was edited on 10/14/23 at 6:21 pm
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Posted on 10/14/23 at 6:30 pm to Scruffy
Wow, just a little bit higher than half the average OTer score
Posted on 10/14/23 at 6:36 pm to STLDawg
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Wow, just a little bit higher than half the average OTer score
I know you’re making a joke, but you’re probably not that far off. I think a fair O/U line for the OT is 23.5.
Posted on 10/14/23 at 6:36 pm to Scruffy
Multiple reasons.
Doesn’t matter these days though as you can not graduate high school, be poor, go to a community college and then go on to a university. People don’t do it but it’s more accessible than ever.
Doesn’t matter these days though as you can not graduate high school, be poor, go to a community college and then go on to a university. People don’t do it but it’s more accessible than ever.
Posted on 10/14/23 at 6:39 pm to TigerinATL
Came to post about this movie. Man, it's horrifying.
Posted on 10/14/23 at 6:40 pm to Scruffy
I blame tik tak
Posted on 10/14/23 at 6:49 pm to Scruffy
I'm not surprised for numerous reason.
One of our good friend's daughter graduated from Carmel High last year as a 4.0 student and was told by several folks including colleges that she didn't even need to take the ACT. Stanford and Cal Berkeley being two. She ended up taking the ACT just to do it and made a perfect score. We through a get together dinner for her for the accompaniment.
Saying all that to say that yeah the dumber are probably getting dumber but also the best of the best aren't encouraged to take it
One of our good friend's daughter graduated from Carmel High last year as a 4.0 student and was told by several folks including colleges that she didn't even need to take the ACT. Stanford and Cal Berkeley being two. She ended up taking the ACT just to do it and made a perfect score. We through a get together dinner for her for the accompaniment.
Saying all that to say that yeah the dumber are probably getting dumber but also the best of the best aren't encouraged to take it
Posted on 10/14/23 at 6:55 pm to Scruffy
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This post was edited on 10/14/23 at 7:05 pm
Posted on 10/14/23 at 7:10 pm to GruntbyAssociation
Common core math coming to fruition plus COVID kids missing school, not surprising. The average being 19 is mind boggling. That means a ton of kids make below that, and many well below. I've been to jury duty a bunch of times so I understand, but it's still scary.
Posted on 10/14/23 at 7:18 pm to Scruffy
How are the test scores in Black History, Climate Science and Gender Studies?
Posted on 10/14/23 at 7:46 pm to Scruffy
Ask anyone under 25 to write an email or cover letter and you’ll be shocked.
Posted on 10/14/23 at 7:48 pm to Scruffy
A big difference is that districts such as EBR force every kid to take the ACT. I know of kids that literally nap through the entire test.
Posted on 10/14/23 at 7:49 pm to Scruffy
All part of the democratic plan
Posted on 10/14/23 at 7:54 pm to Scruffy
The effects will continue with students from lower grades as well. An entire generation will be stunted by the stupid, near sighted decisions of power hungry government officials
Posted on 10/14/23 at 9:50 pm to Scruffy
We need to get the federal government out of the education business
Posted on 10/15/23 at 1:48 am to Scruffy
I wonder why. Seems like the answer is right there in front of my face.
Posted on 10/15/23 at 2:37 am to Lickitty Split
I pulled down some of their reports and got the following if anyone is curious - COVID is not the culprit. Scores started falling before COVID. But COVID may have exacerbated the problem - so, way to go teachers unions, for helping to close down schools. I wish their reports gave more historical data.
Percent achieving benchmark of college readiness
Reading
2018 46
2019 45
2020 45
2021 44
2022 41
2023 40
Science
2018 36
2019 36
2020 36
2021 35
2022 32
2023 31
English
2018 60
2019 59
2020 58
2021 56
2022 53
2023 51
Math
2018 40
2019 39
2020 37
2021 36
2022 31
2023 30
All four
2018 27
2019 26
2020 26
2021 25
2022 22
2023 21
ETA - here are the number of people taking the test. It dipped due to COVID and recovered a bit, but not much. You would think that all the students that are high achievers and in homes that are pushing them toward college would keep taking the test and thus bump up the numbers. I'll check for their preparation numbers.
Number taking the test
2018 1914817
2019 1782820
2020 1670497
2021 1295349
2022 1349644
2023 1386335
Ok, here is the prep figures. Read the description on what is considered 'core', below the table. Having "core or more" has diminished but I don't know what that means because non-response rate keeps increasing, so there are more and more students each year for which they don't have data. But, scores for those they do have data for seems pretty consistent, so I'm guessing more and more students do not have "core or more". Trend started before COVID, seems to have gotten worse because of COVID. Again, great job, teachers unions.
Percent achieving benchmark of college readiness
Reading
2018 46
2019 45
2020 45
2021 44
2022 41
2023 40
Science
2018 36
2019 36
2020 36
2021 35
2022 32
2023 31
English
2018 60
2019 59
2020 58
2021 56
2022 53
2023 51
Math
2018 40
2019 39
2020 37
2021 36
2022 31
2023 30
All four
2018 27
2019 26
2020 26
2021 25
2022 22
2023 21
ETA - here are the number of people taking the test. It dipped due to COVID and recovered a bit, but not much. You would think that all the students that are high achievers and in homes that are pushing them toward college would keep taking the test and thus bump up the numbers. I'll check for their preparation numbers.
Number taking the test
2018 1914817
2019 1782820
2020 1670497
2021 1295349
2022 1349644
2023 1386335
Ok, here is the prep figures. Read the description on what is considered 'core', below the table. Having "core or more" has diminished but I don't know what that means because non-response rate keeps increasing, so there are more and more students each year for which they don't have data. But, scores for those they do have data for seems pretty consistent, so I'm guessing more and more students do not have "core or more". Trend started before COVID, seems to have gotten worse because of COVID. Again, great job, teachers unions.
This post was edited on 10/15/23 at 3:02 am
Posted on 10/15/23 at 5:16 am to SportsGuyNOLA
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When I graduated high school (33 years ago) the National average was like 19 and it was 17 or 18 for Louisiana
They changed the test at some point in the 2000’s to make it “easier” because it was racially insensitive.
Posted on 10/15/23 at 6:38 am to Tupelo
quote:
I'm pretty sure that the 36 was the maximum when I took the ACT in either 1974 or 1975.
My older brother scored 35 in 1978. For some reason I thought that was the highest.
Posted on 10/15/23 at 6:39 am to POTUS2024
Are any of us surprised these kids are stupid? Pretty sure most of their parents are stupid too.
Try this experiment.
Go buy some fast food but go inside to buy it. Pick a register with the appropriate employee working it. The total is $3.78 and give them a $5 dollar bill. Then as they’re getting your change give them 3 pennies. Then watch for the confused, bewildered look on their face.
Try this experiment.
Go buy some fast food but go inside to buy it. Pick a register with the appropriate employee working it. The total is $3.78 and give them a $5 dollar bill. Then as they’re getting your change give them 3 pennies. Then watch for the confused, bewildered look on their face.
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