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Posted on 7/5/16 at 10:07 pm to
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91484 posts
Posted on 7/5/16 at 10:07 pm to
I do think it is debatable whether the arresting officers actually knew of the gun report. They seemed genuinely surprised by the gun being on him and didn't seem to approach it in a manner that would suggest they were initially aware of a gun.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
87496 posts
Posted on 7/5/16 at 10:08 pm to
Being loud does not equal surprise. I think they knew if that's what the call was.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112677 posts
Posted on 7/5/16 at 10:09 pm to
quote:

And if they went straight to guns and killed him y'all would be bitching because they didn't have tasers. fricking hypocrites.
Wait, what?

At least try to not say absurd things. Put forth a little effort.
Posted by oleyeller
Vols, Bitch
Member since Oct 2012
32601 posts
Posted on 7/5/16 at 10:09 pm to
quote:

Reached for the gun while on the ground.

Got what he deserved.
End of story.


gtfo with your common sense and all
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91484 posts
Posted on 7/5/16 at 10:10 pm to
quote:

Reached for the gun while on the ground.


Just as Tangerine is wrong saying he was being submissive and not moving on the ground, this is equally as ridiculous given the video we've seen. You don't know what he was doing or how the gun came to appear in the struggle.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
87496 posts
Posted on 7/5/16 at 10:10 pm to
The guy was asking why the cops didn't have guns out to start. As if now all of the sudden people think that would be a better route than tasing (which they did) or physically subduing (which they tried).
Posted by LurkingTigers
Member since Jun 2011
1544 posts
Posted on 7/5/16 at 10:10 pm to
I just don't understand how you can say this isn't a justified shooting.. The officer clearly says "gun" and then "if you move I swear to god" the guy continued to fight he got shot. For those saying he's not fighting back.. Watch the video again and watch his head. If he was submissive, the back of his head would be on the ground.
Posted by Negative Nomad
Hell
Member since Oct 2011
3173 posts
Posted on 7/5/16 at 10:10 pm to
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This post was edited on 1/19/17 at 11:55 pm
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 7/5/16 at 10:11 pm to
quote:

LSUTANGERINE


If he wasn't resisting arrest explain to me what made his head, shoulders, and upper body lift off of the ground at 0:24-0:26 seconds when 2 grown men had their bodyweight on him?

Simple question
Posted by TigerOnTheMountain
Higher Elevation
Member since Oct 2014
41773 posts
Posted on 7/5/16 at 10:11 pm to
As usual with these kinds of things, the video looks bad. The truth is, this is a convicted felon with a gun, being non compliant and fighting two cops. What the hell outcome would you have preferred?
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
148031 posts
Posted on 7/5/16 at 10:11 pm to
Well the story just hit FOX 8 New Orleans and it seems to be gaining some momentum. They interviewed one person who said this is going to be the next Ferguson. Even the state rep said they are going to keep protesting.
Posted by lsusteve1
Member since Dec 2004
47124 posts
Posted on 7/5/16 at 10:12 pm to
quote:

Fought back? What video did you watch? Once they tackled him they were on top of him pretty quickly


No amount of arguing will convince people who have their minds made up...both sides.

Bottom line

He had an extensive record.

Resisted.

Weapon (not determined).

If he holds his hands up and surrenders, he's still alive.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112677 posts
Posted on 7/5/16 at 10:12 pm to
quote:

The guy was asking why the cops didn't have guns out to start. As if now all of the sudden people think that would be a better route than tasing (which they did) or physically subduing (which they tried).
Wait, you think if 2 cops know a guy has a gun, trying to physically subdue the guy is a better route than drawing their guns?

Seriously?
This post was edited on 7/5/16 at 10:13 pm
Posted by Gulf Coast Tiger
Ms Gulf Coast
Member since Jan 2004
20753 posts
Posted on 7/5/16 at 10:13 pm to
This dude could have shot at the officers and some people would still defend this POS. He was breaking numerous laws and resisted arrest.

Who does he think he is Hillary Clinton?
Posted by AjaxFury
In & out of The Matrix
Member since Sep 2014
9928 posts
Posted on 7/5/16 at 10:13 pm to
quote:

And if they went straight to guns and killed him y'all would be bitching because they didn't have tasers. fricking


I'd like to think everyone here ultimately wants true justice all bull shite aside. That's part of why I post here.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
87496 posts
Posted on 7/5/16 at 10:14 pm to
Cops assume everyone has a gun. Every traffic stop. Every warrant served. Period. You think they should all confront every situation to start with their gun out?

Seriously?
This post was edited on 7/5/16 at 10:15 pm
Posted by SJS101
Member since Oct 2007
2857 posts
Posted on 7/5/16 at 10:14 pm to
Just seeing if I got this straight - Police respond to a disturbance call of a man claiming he was threatened by a man with a gun. They show up and Alton Sterling fits the description of the man in the disturbance call. He chooses not to comply with the officers and a struggle ensues ending with both officers grappling and fighting with a presumed armed suspect. Alton Sterling continues to fight the officers at which point one of the officers draws his gun. Shortly thereafter, the other officer yells "He's got a gun! Gun!" after which the officer with his weapon drawn shoots the suspect multiple times. The only video thus far of the incident was recorded by a bystander on what appears to be a crappy cell phone where the majority of the incident and grappling on the ground was partially obstructed. Add to that, the suspect did in fact have a gun and was a convicted felon who couldn't legally possess a firearm and would be facing prison time again for that alone. If all of that is accurate then this clearly demonstrates why you comply with officers and keep your damn mouth shut until you have representation. A lifetime of crime and poor choices led to this individuals death alone. Their are shitty cops out their indeed, but for Christ's sake COMPLY and worry about it afterwards.
Posted by lsusteve1
Member since Dec 2004
47124 posts
Posted on 7/5/16 at 10:14 pm to
quote:

They interviewed one person who said this is going to be the next Ferguson. Even the state rep said they are going to keep protesting.


She's a joke

Might be an improvement for North BR
Posted by jbgleason
Bailed out of BTR to God's Country
Member since Mar 2012
19948 posts
Posted on 7/5/16 at 10:14 pm to
Everyone is keying on the gun "in the pocket" comment by the store clerk. The clerk who has issues with how far away he was. Here is a legit question since it seems people are envisioning a small pistol stuck down deep in a pocket.

What if it was a big pistol stuck in the pocket with the grip hanging out?

What if the pistol was actually in his waistband and the clerk just assumed pocket?

What if the pistol fell out during the struggle and was clearly visible on the ground but on the side away from the clerk?

In those scenarios the pistol is much more accessible and the clerks own statement was that they didn't have full control of the guys right hand.

Are you more prone to shoot quicker in this case? Because right now NONE OF US have the right facts to be arguing one way or the other.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91484 posts
Posted on 7/5/16 at 10:14 pm to
quote:

Being loud does not equal surprise. I think they knew if that's what the call was.



Would you agree that their approach was incredibly calm for a perp who was supposedly waving a gun?
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