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re: Alton Sterling shooting - discussion thread
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:09 am to Isabelle81
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:09 am to Isabelle81
The alleged original 911 call has been released that led LE to the area. You cannot hear the caller. Can only hear the operator relaying the message to LE. Looking forward to hearing both sides of this call.
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Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:10 am to Puck82
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I've seen all the videos that are public, and I have not seen one that shows what you are saying.
The first video shows him being tazed. There is no way the cops just came up to him and tazed him without a single word being spoken.
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Some assumptions are just common sense.
This post was edited on 7/7/16 at 9:11 am
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:10 am to Boagni Swamp
quote:Do you think the cops said anything to him before the taser went off, yes or no? Any instructions at all?
everybody thinks their own common sense is shared, even if it isn't
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:10 am to Boagni Swamp
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That does not answer the ultimate question: Was the officer right in shooting him?
Yes. If the officer felt their lives were in danger bc Sterling was trying to get his gun out, yes he deserved to die for it. Would it be better if they had hesitated and died for it? Or an innocent bystander got hit with a stray round? No. The right person died.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:10 am to Boagni Swamp
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That does not answer the ultimate question: Was the officer right in shooting him?
Legally yes. But sometimes it may be better to try and hold that arm a bit longer and try and subdue him. These two LEO's will not be charged.
I am just glad I am not in their position, before or after the shooting.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:11 am to GoCrazyAuburn
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He's just being obtuse.
If it is obtuse to stick to actual facts, then guilty as charged.
It bugs me that you are making assumptions based on your experience. Other protesters are making the opposite assumptions based on their experience. Few are really trying to look at verifiable facts.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:12 am to Boagni Swamp
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f it is obtuse to stick to actual facts, then guilty as charged.
It bugs me that you are making assumptions based on your experience
You've done nothing but make assumptions for the last several pages.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:12 am to Hangit
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I am just glad I am not in their position, before or after the shooting.
Here, we also agree. No matter what else happens, they are screwed for life, I'd guess.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:12 am to Boagni Swamp
quote:He didn't ask you if he deserved to die, he asked you if he'd still be alive.
You can't seriously be suggesting that he deserved to die because he ripped off Universal Studios or Columbia Records.
Those are 2 distinctly different phrases.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:13 am to Boagni Swamp
quote:The store owner (who is "on Alton's side") has said there was a gun pulled from his pocket. The officers have said so in a statement. The mother said he doesn't own one and that a phone was pulled form his pocket. No confirmation one way or another.
Do we KNOW that he had a gun?
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:13 am to RB10
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You've done nothing but make assumptions for the last several pages.
Really? And by the way, that's ad hominem.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:13 am to Boagni Swamp
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I've seen all the videos that are public, and I have not seen one that shows what you are saying.
Then I'm going to have to say you are blind. The videos start with him being tazed and then being tackled to the ground (guns are not drawn at this point). That is two of the three non-lethal tactics used to subdue the suspect.
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And that was kind of a cheap shot and a distortion. So let me put it to you bluntly: Do you have actual evidence that they approached him less than aggressively? I'm not talking about your assumptions. I am talking about what you know. And don't put words in my mouth.
The eye witness reports have all stated that they saw officers talking with Sterling. This isn't some made up assumption. This is fact of the case. You are being either deliberately obtuse or just plain dumb. The officers are responding to a threat of a man waving a gun at people matching his description. They would be justified to approach him guns drawn just at that. They didn't however. He did not have a gun out, so they go to three non-lethal methods to subdue him. These aren't assumptions. These are basic facts of the case.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:13 am to Boagni Swamp
Didn't the eye witness (owner of store) say "(the police) pulled a gun from him after they shot him"?
Sooo...
Sooo...
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:14 am to ell_13
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The mother said he doesn't own one
Didn't she say yesterday that he carried one for his protection that he just got a week or so ago?
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:14 am to ell_13
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The mother said he doesn't own one and that a phone was pulled form his pocket.
bullshite a family member of his stated he just bought a gun recently. I will go find the article.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:14 am to ell_13
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The store owner (who is "on Alton's side") has said there was a gun pulled from his pocket. The officers have said so in a statement. The mother said he doesn't own one and that a phone was pulled form his pocket. No confirmation one way or another.
Thanks. I read in the NYT I think that the police waffled on whether he had a gun.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:15 am to Boagni Swamp
can i get the past 30ish page recap? k thanks.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:16 am to More beer please
I've read conflicting reports as well. I gave the one that was contradictory to the officers since it was the only one.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:17 am to ell_13
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The mother said he doesn't own one and that a phone was pulled form his pocket
Was that the mother or the aunt?
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:18 am to Chad504boy
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can i get the past 30ish page recap? k thanks.
racist cops
racist cops
he was a gentle giant
they had killing on their minds
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