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Posted on 7/7/16 at 12:01 pm to Funky Tide 8
quote:Arms bent at a 90, waist high is not UP.
My biggest problem with the actions of the police was tackling the guy when he had both hands up.
quote:It was a pretty good take down hampered by the vehicle.
Why would you attempt to tackle that big dude that you are half the size
quote:You cant be serious
There is no advantage for the cop in doing that.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 12:05 pm to More beer please
quote:
"I don't think there was any way that he would've reached for it," Muflahi said. "And if he would've reached for it, his hand would've still been in his pocket, or the gun would've been in his hand after they had killed him."
The store owner is claiming this even though his own video shows Sterling reaching for the location of the weapon. The store owner knew he was armed and was ok with it. Sounds like he appreciated having an extra gun in front of the store. He's definitely in self protection mode and has to be to maintain his business. I suppose most people would redefine "reaching for a weapon" to mean having a hand on the weapon if they were willingly committed to their bias.
I wish the interviewer would have asked the store owner how the officer knew to remove a gun from Sterling's pocket if the officer's attention has not been drawn there by Sterling's actions. Officers are trained to watch the hands and control the hands. We need better journalists.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 12:11 pm to Willie Stroker
quote:
"I don't think there was any way that he would've reached for it," Muflahi said. "And if he would've reached for it, his hand would've still been in his pocket, or the gun would've been in his hand after they had killed him."
This guy is an idiot.
"Don't think there was any way he could reach for it?"
Why not? did he all of a sudden forget how to move his arms?
"his hand would have still been in his pocket or on the gun once they killed him"
Really? Because in the heat of the moment while getting shot and after you also forget how to move your arm? Is he implying Sterling was just laying there dead still (no pun intended)
Store owner is covering his arse, he basically has to.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 12:16 pm to Willie Stroker
quote:
"I don't think there was any way that he would've reached for it," Muflahi said.
He doesn't THINK?
Exactly how much weight does one give to a friend standing by saying he doesn't THINK? How da hell would he know anyway??
Posted on 7/7/16 at 12:16 pm to Funky Tide 8
quote:
That's interesting.
Not really. Read the story about that. Kevin Knight crashed a car while passing by cops working the scene of a domestic battery he had just committed. He jumped out of the car firing at the officers.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 12:18 pm to Willie Stroker
quote:
"And if he would've reached for it, his hand would've still been in his pocket, or the gun would've been in his hand after they had killed him."
This angle is going to take off in the coming days. There have already been articles on it.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 12:18 pm to Grandioso
quote:
1.) Alton Sterlin was a convicted felon out on parole, correct? 2.) I am under the impression that once you are a convicted felon, you forfeit your right to possess and own any type of firearm, correct?
He was on probation. I believe he was breaking the law by carrying because of that. It was known he was carrying for protection.. again not saying he should break the law. He was doing his business in a dangerous area I believe. His own mother had actually advised him to carry a knife instead.
This still doesn't justify him being murdered.
He has resisted arrest before with police while carrying a gun, but he never went to use it.. He's just an arrogant idiot with no respect for the police, but that's still irrelevant to me to whether the officers handled this wrong.
It's just awful how this all went down.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 12:18 pm to musick
quote:
I don't think there was any way that he would've reached for it," Muflahi said. "And if he would've reached for it, his hand would've still been in his pocket, or the gun would've been in his hand after they had killed him."
Wow, how stupid is this clown.
I don't think he realizes it, but he's doing more damage to the defense, than helping sterling .
Posted on 7/7/16 at 12:19 pm to musick
The store owner's perspective, coupled with the video obvioulsy, is why I think the DOJ will seek an indictment. Still don't see how they can convict this cop, but I'd be shocked if there is no indictment.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 12:20 pm to Grandioso
quote:
I'm sure his size imitated them. They should have made him either get on his knees execution style and cuff him or have him sit on the curb with his hands behind his back and cuff him.
They had, almost certainly, already tried that, but he didn't comply. Then they tazed him and he continued fighting.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 12:22 pm to Willie Stroker
quote:
"I don't think there was any way that he would've reached for it," Muflahi said. "And if he would've reached for it, his hand would've still been in his pocket, or the gun would've been in his hand after they had killed him."
You have to remember that the store owner has to parse words because of potential loss of business or worse.
Having said that....it is the only explanation for so much stupid (otherwise) in his statement.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 12:22 pm to Grandioso
quote:When you say make him, how would they do that, exactly?
They should have made him either get on his knees execution style and cuff him or have him sit on the curb with his hands behind his back and cuff him.
Remember, they tased him twice and that didn't "make him" comply.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 12:22 pm to Jester
quote:
Not really. Read the story about that. Kevin Knight crashed a car while passing by cops working the scene of a domestic battery he had just committed. He jumped out of the car firing at the officers.
I will add that it may have affected Lake in that he was more on edge after being shot at once before.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 12:23 pm to Puck82
Since WBRZ is going an all out on digging up dirt on the officers involved, I wonder when they'll get around to the detail of Mr. Sterling's charge of Carnal Knowlege of a Minor, or one of his various assault and battery charges.
This post was edited on 7/7/16 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 7/7/16 at 12:25 pm to RB10
quote:
This angle is going to take off in the coming days. There have already been articles on it.
No it wont. What are they implying? That a guy resisting 2 cops and barely going down using all his strength to resist would have:
a) made it to his pocket anyway before being shot
and
b) not have moved nor the 2 cops moving his arm IF he did even make it to the gun after the struggled?
This is a non-angle, that isnt taking off
Posted on 7/7/16 at 12:27 pm to RB10
He has a pretty shitey gun if pulling the trigger in his pants from outside the pocket couldn't go through fabric and hit the officer straddling him. Magic bullets that can only penetrate clothing from the outside or bullet proof pants?
Posted on 7/7/16 at 12:30 pm to Grandioso
quote:
I'm sure his size imitated them. They should have made him either get on his knees execution style and cuff him or have him sit on the curb with his hands behind his back and cuff him.
Exactly. He was just standing there.. Why not continue to talk this thing through. Perhaps get more back up if needed to secure the guy. The guy was clearly ignoring the cops, but he didn't appear to be threatening at all. It's been reported he was tazed but that it didn't bring him down. Which is weird, because again he was just standing there.. being his usual defiant self. What if the tazer had some sort of effect on him on top of his idiotic self. I just don't get it. Did they instruct him to put his hands up. If so and he didn't, why not then draw your guns from a distance.. and keep them focused on him? I just don't get the tackle if they are so afraid of this guy carrying a weapon. You have two officers, why not have one gun fixated on him, and the other demand he is going to search him? I don't know..
Then even when they were on top of him they seem to have decent position on him.. but perhaps they should have waited for more backup for such a defiant large dude.. He just didn't want to be arrested. I can't believe they shot him that many times over this. Shot him a couple of times and he props up with his hands clearly up and not holding anything.. but they continue to overreact and pump more bullets into him.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 12:30 pm to musick
quote:
No it wont. What are they implying? That a guy resisting 2 cops and barely going down using all his strength to resist would have:
a) made it to his pocket anyway before being shot
and
b) not have moved nor the 2 cops moving his arm IF he did even make it to the gun after the struggled?
This is a non-angle, that isnt taking off
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Tell me again how the media isn't taking this angle....
Posted on 7/7/16 at 12:31 pm to beauchristopher
quote:
He was on probation. I believe he was breaking the law by carrying because of that. It was known he was carrying for protection.. again not saying he should break the law. He was doing his business in a dangerous area I believe. His own mother had actually advised him to carry a knife instead.
It doesn't matter why the frick he was carrying. He's a career criminal and convicted felon. He should never be allowed to openly carry a fricking firearm.
quote:
This still doesn't justify him being murdered.
You really need to look up the definition of murder, a-hole.
quote:
He has resisted arrest before with police while carrying a gun, but he never went to use it.. He's just an arrogant idiot with no respect for the police, but that's still irrelevant to me to whether the officers handled this wrong.
It was just a matter of time for him then. I guess he won't be resisting anymore now will he.
quote:
It's just awful how this all went down.
It sure is. Two good cop's lives are now ruined because some piece of shite couldn't just obey the fricking law and comply.
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