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re: Best Presidents (Happy Presidents Day)
Posted on 2/17/20 at 7:27 am to nola000
Posted on 2/17/20 at 7:27 am to nola000
quote:Nah you just sound pissed that you can't own people. Not sure why you think states have the right to secede, either. That's not true.
I know this is difficult for some of you to understand but the reasons for the separation are totally irrelevant.
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Posted on 2/17/20 at 7:28 am to nola000
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It forever changed the power structure of the country , for the worst. We're still paying for it today.
Idiot. You think if the US was divided into two nations in the 1860’s we would be better today? Better than a world superpower and GOAT nation?
Posted on 2/17/20 at 7:34 am to geauxtigers456
quote:I wish there had never been any slaves in America
you just sound pissed that you can't own people
Posted on 2/17/20 at 7:34 am to nola000
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Don't you even McCollum memo, bro?
McCollum himself has even said that memo was meant to deter the Japanese, not agitate them.
Posted on 2/17/20 at 7:35 am to geauxtigers456
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Nah you just sound pissed that you can't own people.
What a dumbass comment. You really think there are people that feel this way in 2020? You people are so jaded and disillusioned.
Like I said, their reasons were irrelevant.
If California Washington and Oregon wanted to secede right now, today, I would have no problem with it. It's their right to do so. It's not my right, as a Louisiana resident to tell people in California how to run their lives and that they have to stay married to me and the rest of the states. I don't care what their reasons are.
I may not like it for the rest of the country and I may not like it personally but it's their right to do it and if you want to have any sort of philosophical consistency you can't claim people have a right to self-determination and then tell them they have to stay married to a system that they disagree with.
If you're so hell-bent on ending slavery thdn why don't you agree with going to war with half the countries in Africa and the Middle East, right now? Come on, let's do it. War with everybody we disagree with. If you wanted to war with every country that does fricked up shite you would be in a state of perpetual war.
Worry about your own house and not others until they come knocking on your door.
This post was edited on 2/17/20 at 7:36 am
Posted on 2/17/20 at 7:39 am to kciDAtaE
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Idiot. You think if the US was divided into two nations in the 1860’s we would be better today? Better than a world superpower and GOAT nation?
Probably not but who's to say that that's best? Liechtenstein seems to be doing pretty well. Do you want an Empire or do you want a comfortable enclave?
My point was, this nation wasnt a hierarchical system with the federal government at top followed by the states followed by local. The federal government was more like the SEC and the states were like the various universities. The federal government was just an organizing body so that the states could play well with each other. The feds were there to lay some ground rules for engagement between the states. Not to Lord over them, suck up all their tax revenue potential from their residents and then have the states suck on their teet to survive.
This post was edited on 2/17/20 at 7:40 am
Posted on 2/17/20 at 7:42 am to RollTide1987
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McCollum himself has even said that memo was meant to deter the Japanese, not agitate them.
Lol
Of course he's going to say that. Not like he was going to come out and say, "well Churchill and our buddies over in Europe were begging my boy to enter War but the people in America weren't having it so I needed to create a situation that would goad Japan into attacking us."
They did the same thing with the Lusitania. Germany even took out a full-page ad warning people not to ride on the Lusitania cuz they suspected it of carrying supplies for the war effort.
ETa: to fix my dumbass confusion about Germany, Hitler and World War 1 & 2.
This post was edited on 2/17/20 at 8:53 am
Posted on 2/17/20 at 7:43 am to nola000
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It forever changed the power structure of the country , for the worst. We're still paying for it today.
If it weren’t for Lincoln, we would’ve lost WW1 and 2.
At any rate, USA is doing better than ever so not sure what you mean by, for the worst.
Posted on 2/17/20 at 7:43 am to Man With A Plan
So special of a day that i don't even get off of work for it
Posted on 2/17/20 at 7:48 am to Man With A Plan
Posted on 2/17/20 at 7:49 am to nola000
You're melting pretty hard right now. The CSA was nothing but a bunch of pissy rich slave owners mad that slavery was slowly becoming abolished
Posted on 2/17/20 at 7:49 am to dawgfan24348
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The CSA was nothing but a bunch of pissy rich slave owners mad that slavery was slowly becoming abolished
Come on, bro. They just wanted to go a different direction.
Posted on 2/17/20 at 7:52 am to geauxtigers456
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Not sure why you think states have the right to secede, either. That's not true.
Incorrect.
It was contentious and largely unresolved but there was also some who wanted Washington to be the king of the United States. Some founders of the US still had a European streak in them. I don't view them as pure Americans and I mostly disregard their opinion.
Posted on 2/17/20 at 7:53 am to Man With A Plan
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OUR BEST PRESIDENT EVER:
#GOAT
Posted on 2/17/20 at 7:54 am to dawgfan24348
quote:thus why they love them.
The CSA was nothing but a bunch of pissy rich slave owners
Posted on 2/17/20 at 7:55 am to nola000
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Of course he's going to say that. Not like he was going to come out and say, "well Churchill and our buddies over in Europe were begging my boy to enter War but the people in America weren't having it so I needed to create a situation that would goad Japan into attacking us."
We were going to be in a shooting war with Germany by the early part of 1942 no matter what the events in the Pacific brought with them. German U-Boats were sinking our merchant shipping and tensions were rising beyond the boiling point.
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They did the same thing with the Lusitania. Hitler even took out a full-page ad warning people not to ride on the Lusitania cuz he suspected it of carrying supplies for the war effort.
Hitler took out a full-page ad for the Lusitania? That's pretty impressive considering he was hunkered down in the trenches in northern France when that incident happened.
Posted on 2/17/20 at 7:55 am to Supermoto Tiger
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#GOAT
Yall have a werid obsession with him
Posted on 2/17/20 at 7:56 am to dawgfan24348
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You're melting pretty hard right now.
It's called a discussion. I'm sorry that all discussions for you involve a ton of emotion and logic never plays a part. I enjoy discussing these things for the sake of conversation. I gave my opinion. What's yours? Do you have anything interesting to add?
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The CSA was nothing but a bunch of pissy rich slave owners mad that slavery was slowly becoming abolished
That was certainly part of it. But everybody fights Wars for different reasons. If you think that was the beginning and end of the reason then you have a very narrow-minded view of the world. There's contemporaneous accounts of soldiers in Civil War fighting for the Confederacy who explicitly state the reasons. They were varied. Almost none of them were about slavery since most of those guys were poor farmers and slavery was nothing but cheap Mexican immigration undercutting their labor.
Nothing's changed. You think invading Iraq was about freedom and 911?
Governments fight Wars for one reason, usually at the behest of Industry. The people that actually fight the war fight for completely different reasons.
This post was edited on 2/17/20 at 7:58 am
Posted on 2/17/20 at 7:57 am to nola000
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Hitler even took out a full-page ad warning people not to ride on the Lusitania cuz he suspected it of carrying supplies for the war effort.
Nah, you got it wrong dude. It was Napoleon that did that.
Posted on 2/17/20 at 8:00 am to The Spleen
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Nah, you got it wrong dude. It was Napoleon that did that
Well, no but my bad. I did get the timing wrong. I was thinking of II and I at the same time.
This post was edited on 2/17/20 at 8:01 am
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