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re: Buckeye, AZ Cop Fights 14-Year Old Autistic Kid He Thought Was Doing Drugs In A Park
Posted on 9/20/17 at 3:31 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Posted on 9/20/17 at 3:31 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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You don't ignore a person who looks like they are in stress because you "may not have training for that"
Kid didn't look like he was in stress. He was just walking around slapping a string against his hand. Idk how that looks like he needs medical help or on drugs. Cop over reacted and jumped to conclusions
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Posted on 9/20/17 at 3:40 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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Again , this isn't reasonable. The kid was there, the cop was there. You don't ignore a person who looks like they are in stress because you "may not have training for that"
Well, Im pretty extreme in that I dont think we really need cops at all. I think it isnt worth the confrontations, costs and intrusion of freedom. When seconds count the police are minutes away. We have the 2nd in this country. That takes care of most problems. The other problems are usually between two shitty married people or two shitty career criminals. I say let natural selection go to work.
Cops should be there to take accident reports and serve warrants. Not break up house parties or stop and frisk people into rioting.
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Actually I'm a retired Army Colonel , CID agent most of my career . Are we supposed to be mature in the OT though? Because if that's the case, shut down the OT.
True, true.
This post was edited on 9/20/17 at 3:41 pm
Posted on 9/20/17 at 3:44 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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Again , this isn't reasonable. The kid was there, the cop was there. You don't ignore a person who looks like they are in stress because you "may not have training for that"
Wait, you think the cop approached the kid to help in a potentially stressful situation? With all due respect colonel, that's retarded. The cop didn't approach in a helpful manner, it was aggressive and needlessly escalating the situation.
You seem to be jumping through hoops to justify shitty behavior from an authority figure.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 3:44 pm to nola000
quote:We have the 2nd, plus law enforcement, plus jails/prisons. No law enforcement would turn the USA into Afghanistan.
We have the 2nd in this country. That takes care of most problems
Posted on 9/20/17 at 3:54 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Ah so you're moving the goalposts again. So now the officer was trying to help? When was that? After he bodyslammed him or when he wouldn't get off him after learning the truth of the situation?
Posted on 9/20/17 at 4:01 pm to The Mick
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No law enforcement would turn the USA into Afghanistan.
"Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws." - Plato
For most of human history society was self-regulating. Communities in rural areas and frontier America. I long for those days where I can be drunk and walk my horse to the river without being cited for "drunk in public", where I can apply cocoa leaves to my injuries without being arrested for "possession of controlled substance", where I can sight my Colt 45 in on some unsuspecting cans without being swarmed on for "illegal discharge of a firearm", where I can take a lost and wandering child home to his parents without being arrested for "kidnapping", where I can mend my fence without being cited for "repairs without a building permit" and on and on.
We dont have freedom anymore in this country. We have a nation smothered by laws and the lawless. And with the lawless comes more calls for more laws and the cycle continues until we are crushed under the weight of our own fears. It might be time for a new revolution.
This post was edited on 9/20/17 at 4:19 pm
Posted on 9/20/17 at 4:58 pm to The Mick
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We have the 2nd, plus law enforcement, plus jails/prisons. No law enforcement would turn the USA into Afghanistan.
Law enforcement is needed to find and imprison those that commit crimes preventing additional actions by the imprisoned, but it would be difficult to find a example where the police actually prevented a crime in progress. That our prisons are full is testament that for those with a criminal mindset fear of breaking laws and the police is not a deterrent. If tomorrow there were no police there would probably be a increase in speeding and drug use, but someone that was not a criminal today is not going to become one tomorrow just because there are no police, potential murderers and rapist are not sitting at home wishing there were no police so they could carry out their acts.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 7:08 pm to TigersSEC2010
the cop should have let the kid go after the lady explained to the cop what stimming was.
With that said I was expecting something worse, and it could have been worse if this kid was on the other end of the spectrum and was violent or aggressive. the officer didnt detect autism before the lady came even though the young man's answers can sometimes be a giveaway.
With that said I was expecting something worse, and it could have been worse if this kid was on the other end of the spectrum and was violent or aggressive. the officer didnt detect autism before the lady came even though the young man's answers can sometimes be a giveaway.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 10:39 pm to jbgleason
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That is the response every time something happens.
So let's get this straight. Cops should be:
Wyatt Earp gunfighters
Bruce Lee hand to hand fighters
Dr. Phil marriage counselors
Phd level experts on all mental illnesses for instant field diagnosis
NASCAR level drivers
Drug experts
Rape counselors
Social workers
First aid and CPR caregivers
Etc
Etc
All for $40k a year with a HS education. Oh, and because we don't want to fund more than one or two cops per thousands of citizens, we can only provide 40-60 hours of training a year and 16 weeks of initial training.
If they aren't capable of handling the job, then they shouldn't have the amount of power that they have. Plus, the supreme Court probably shouldn't have allowed departments to discriminate against smart people (yes, that was an actual Supreme Court decision).
Posted on 9/20/17 at 10:42 pm to ChatRabbit77
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Edit: To all of the people correcting me, yes, I know. Autism has nothing to do with retardation. It's a joke. Sorry so many of you are on the spectrum.
So it makes your joke not funny. No one is offended, you're just an idiot.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 11:05 pm to Raylan70
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but a pretty good outcome.
The cop didn't shoot anyone.
frick you
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handled the situation better than any BLM hero we have seen.
frick you again
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and the cop learned something about special needs kids.
stfu
Posted on 9/20/17 at 11:07 pm to ChatRabbit77
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Edit: To all of the people correcting me, yes, I know. Autism has nothing to do with retardation. It's a joke. Sorry so many of you are on the spectrum.
As a jokester myself I applaud the effort. But it was a swing and a miss. Nobody bats a thousand.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 11:53 pm to TigersSEC2010
These fricking loser pigs have such low self-esteem that they have to harrass underage special needs kids. This is sickening. Who knows what the outcome would have been had the aunt not shown up 
Posted on 9/21/17 at 12:42 am to jbgleason
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All for $40k a year with a HS education. Oh, and because we don't want to fund more than one or two cops per thousands of citizens, we can only provide 40-60 hours of training a year and 16 weeks of initial training.
Perhaps the should not be busting their budget with "tactcool" shite and MRAPs then, maybe not billing overtime for jaunts to Vegas would leave a few extra bucks in the coffer as well.
The officer was not way out of line here but the poormouthing of budgets is a bit disingenous.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 12:49 am to Dixie Howell
Goodness gracious. Such an overreaction by the cop. He has nothing better to do? Let him be.
He’s fortunate the kid didn’t freak out more than he did not fully understanding what was happening.
He’s fortunate the kid didn’t freak out more than he did not fully understanding what was happening.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 2:53 am to Masterag
This post was edited on 9/21/17 at 3:08 am
Posted on 9/21/17 at 3:07 am to beauchristopher
Family is demanding apology, community service, and training
After learning more details the cop was way out of line.
This incident happened in Verrado, a planned white privilege community west of Phoenix. As you can see from the rows of palm trees in the bodycam footage and the photo below this was not a park that druggies would be stumbling around in during mid afternoon.
The cop is a DUI and drug recognition "expert", it sounds like he was looking for something that wasn't there.
frick him.
I still stand by my original post that it is fortunate things ended without any loss of life and hopefully LEOs in Buckeye and nationwide gain a better understanding of how to interact and work with people with autism.
After learning more details the cop was way out of line.
This incident happened in Verrado, a planned white privilege community west of Phoenix. As you can see from the rows of palm trees in the bodycam footage and the photo below this was not a park that druggies would be stumbling around in during mid afternoon.
The cop is a DUI and drug recognition "expert", it sounds like he was looking for something that wasn't there.
frick him.
I still stand by my original post that it is fortunate things ended without any loss of life and hopefully LEOs in Buckeye and nationwide gain a better understanding of how to interact and work with people with autism.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 10:50 pm to EA6B
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Law enforcement is needed to find and imprison those that commit crimes preventing additional actions by the imprisoned, but it would be difficult to find a example where the police actually prevented a crime in progress. That our prisons are full is testament that for those with a criminal mindset fear of breaking laws and the police is not a deterrent. If tomorrow there were no police there would probably be a increase in speeding and drug use, but someone that was not a criminal today is not going to become one tomorrow just because there are no police, potential murderers and rapist are not sitting at home wishing there were no police so they could carry out their acts.
Well said my friend.
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