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re: Cadillac's new BMW M3 killer? The 2016 ATS-V
Posted on 11/20/14 at 11:38 am to 7thWardTiger
Posted on 11/20/14 at 11:38 am to 7thWardTiger
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Would rather a Hellcat or 15 Charger/Challenger SRT.
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Posted on 11/20/14 at 11:43 am to upgrayedd
The two door coupe, IWDI.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 11:49 am to Cogsworth
Been waiting to see this. Wish they had put the V8 in the -V and saved -Vsport for the V6TT version.
The sedan looks great. Short list of similar cars.
The sedan looks great. Short list of similar cars.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 11:53 am to LSUtigerME
Why would the ATS-V and the CTS-V have the same engine? That would be like an M3 and an M5 having the same engine.
unless I misunderstood you.
unless I misunderstood you.
This post was edited on 11/20/14 at 11:54 am
Posted on 11/20/14 at 11:53 am to LSUtigerME
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Been waiting to see this. Wish they had put the V8 in the -V and saved -Vsport for the V6TT version.
Apparently you can ask the engineers why.
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MontegoMan562Damon Lavrinc
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Hi Tony, love the look of the new ATS-V, especially in sedan form!
Why the Twin Turbo V6 instead of a V8 though? Hasn't the V8 been a key component of the V Series in the past?
Thanks for stopping by for our questions!
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This engine won't disappoint anyone. Think about the fact that we used a 6.0L to get 400hp in the past and this 3.6L makes 455hp. I'm as much of a V8 fan as the next guy, but this is a no excuses car...
This post was edited on 11/20/14 at 11:56 am
Posted on 11/20/14 at 11:53 am to PapaPogey
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Bapple will be here shortly after he finishes fapping
Posted on 11/20/14 at 12:06 pm to BottomlandBrew
Like a Baws!
Posted on 11/20/14 at 12:08 pm to upgrayedd
Not bad. I'd still take a Bimmer over a similarly spec'd and priced Cadillac.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 12:27 pm to FloridaMike
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Except that you don't buy an M3 because it has straight line speed. You buy it because no other sedan, domestic or foreign can claw its way around a track as gracefully or as fast as the M3.
I feel like everyone who says this now is basing it on information that is at least 5 to 8 years old.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 12:29 pm to jordan21210
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I feel like everyone who says this now is basing it on information that is at least 5 to 8 years old.
+1
Posted on 11/20/14 at 12:30 pm to jordan21210
I'm a bimmer fanboy, and I agree. The older M3s were dominant in their category and American cars trying to compete with them and S4s were not all that great around the track. I think recent American attempts have gotten a lot closer.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 12:32 pm to Them
It's a nomenclature thing only. -V was introduced as the top line V8 beast. When they introduced the -Vsport in the CTS with a V6TT, everyone knew a V8 version was coming and kept the -V series "iconic" (even if only around a few years). Kinda same people groaning about the GNX having 4 doors and a V6 as well. Same as if they put a N/A V8 in a ZR-1.
I've loved the ATS since it came out, and people have raved about its chassis over and over. But the drivetrain has been exceptionally lacking. I'm incredibly excited about this car.
I've loved the ATS since it came out, and people have raved about its chassis over and over. But the drivetrain has been exceptionally lacking. I'm incredibly excited about this car.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 12:35 pm to LSUtigerME
Lot of money for something built by GM.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 12:35 pm to upgrayedd
I'm glad they toned down the rear end, looked too much like a wedge.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 12:41 pm to Them
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supposedly this M3 has taken a step backward in track capability compared to the E92. Yes, it's brutally fast, but it's heavier and with so much more torque it has a knife-edge personality if you're trying for a clean lap while riding the absolute limit of grip. It'll snap to overseer in a heartbeat.
Fastest regular production car BMW makes on the the Nürburgring and less than half a second slower around Hockenheim compared to the Track ready GTS....
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Hockenheim
E30 M3 Sport Evo 1.21.4
E36 M3 SMG 1.18.4
E46 M3 1.17.6
E46 M3 CSL 1.13.5
E92 M3 1.14.3
E92 M3 GTS 1.12.5
M4 1.12.8
F10 M5 1.13.4
Nordschleife
E30 M3 Sport Evo 8:50
E36 M3 SMG 8:35
E46 M3 8:22
E46 M3 CSL 7:50
E92 M3 8:05
E92 M3 GTS 7:49
M4 7:52
F10 M5 8:05
quote:quote:I feel like everyone who says this now is basing it on information that is at least 5 to 8 years old.
Except that you don't buy an M3 because it has straight line speed. You buy it because no other sedan, domestic or foreign can claw its way around a track as gracefully or as fast as the M3.
For sure. Hell, the new GT350 has out M3d the M3 and the new M3-M4 is more muscle car now than ever.
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Posted on 11/20/14 at 12:51 pm to s14suspense
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F10 M5 8:05
Lead sled.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 1:10 pm to upgrayedd
If you've watched the Pirelli racing series, you've seen the Cadillacs dominate. Over Ferraris, Lambhorghines, Audi R8, McLarens, etc.
I know thee are modded race cars, but Cadillac has certainly learned from this and is applying that to their street cars.
I was told once by a high end used car dealership to never buy an M3. One of the mechanics there races M3s and loves them on the track, but says the street versions have way too many issues.
I know thee are modded race cars, but Cadillac has certainly learned from this and is applying that to their street cars.
I was told once by a high end used car dealership to never buy an M3. One of the mechanics there races M3s and loves them on the track, but says the street versions have way too many issues.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 1:17 pm to BayouBlitz
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If you've watched the Pirelli racing series, you've seen the Cadillacs dominate. Over Ferraris, Lambhorghines, Audi R8, McLarens, etc.
I had no idea they were racing these.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 1:22 pm to upgrayedd
M3s aren't that difficult to kill. My 4dr benz will dust one.
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