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re: Dave chappelles new special
Posted on 6/12/20 at 10:11 am to Wallywalrus
Posted on 6/12/20 at 10:11 am to Wallywalrus
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I just wanna know how far left he is.
quote:get a load of this ignorance
Dave chappelles
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Posted on 6/12/20 at 10:14 am to RidiculousHype
quote:Civilian on civilian murder is obviously shitty, but 100% guaranteed if caught they will face consequences. Cops can and frequently do get away with murder. Not really hard math.
Honest question for any black people who watched that:
You can see Dave's emotional, the George Floyd death really hurt him... But why do the rare cases of innocent blacks dying at the hands of whites seem to generate so much more emotion than the much more common cases of innocent blacks dying at the hands of blacks?
Dave's not wrong for being upset about a murder. That's just being an empathetic human. But where was the Dave Chappelle special for the 24 murders in Chicago last weekend?
Posted on 6/12/20 at 10:28 am to Wallywalrus
I'm a big Chappelle fan. I'm 20 mins into watching this special now, and he's going over all the high profile black people killed in the last several years.
48 law enforcement officers were murdered (not accidents, felony murder) in the line of duty just last year. 48. Countless others injured.
Maybe that has something to do with the overall story here, or at least should be included as part of the conversation.
But it seems we can not ever have a conversation that brings in ALL the pertinent information. All sides bring blame to this.
We can't keep trying to have a conversation when people only put their chips on the table. All chips need to be on the table.
It may become a tit for tat unproductive conversation, but one sided arguments are not productive.
Take Floyd for example.
We are shown the pictures. The cops kneeling on his neck, Floyd being shown a good law abiding family man.
What if a picture was taken when he was holding a gun to the pregnant white woman's stomach while robbing her and that was released to the world.
A picture is worth a thousand words. From what I've heard and read about Floyd, he may have been a good person most of the time... but he also seemed to have a bad side that doesn't get discussed, and I think that is an important fact. I'm not excusing the cop's actions here at all.
But lets get all those chips on the table and develop some humility.
Edit: gonna finish it because Dave usually calls out everyones' bullshite.
48 law enforcement officers were murdered (not accidents, felony murder) in the line of duty just last year. 48. Countless others injured.
Maybe that has something to do with the overall story here, or at least should be included as part of the conversation.
But it seems we can not ever have a conversation that brings in ALL the pertinent information. All sides bring blame to this.
We can't keep trying to have a conversation when people only put their chips on the table. All chips need to be on the table.
It may become a tit for tat unproductive conversation, but one sided arguments are not productive.
Take Floyd for example.
We are shown the pictures. The cops kneeling on his neck, Floyd being shown a good law abiding family man.
What if a picture was taken when he was holding a gun to the pregnant white woman's stomach while robbing her and that was released to the world.
A picture is worth a thousand words. From what I've heard and read about Floyd, he may have been a good person most of the time... but he also seemed to have a bad side that doesn't get discussed, and I think that is an important fact. I'm not excusing the cop's actions here at all.
But lets get all those chips on the table and develop some humility.
Edit: gonna finish it because Dave usually calls out everyones' bullshite.
This post was edited on 6/12/20 at 10:46 am
Posted on 6/12/20 at 10:30 am to Harry Caray
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Civilian on civilian murder is obviously shitty, but 100% guaranteed if caught they will face consequences. Cops can and frequently do get away with murder. Not really hard math.
If the source of the deep emotion is simply that cops get away with it more, why isn't Dave outraged about all cop killings? Seems like the only examples he gave were white cops killing black citizens.
This post was edited on 6/12/20 at 10:32 am
Posted on 6/12/20 at 10:38 am to i am dan
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Edit: gonna finish it because Dave usually calls out everyones' bullshite.
He went to town on Don Lemon.
Posted on 6/12/20 at 10:45 am to Wallywalrus
Found it interesting he didnt mention Alton by name like the rest.
Posted on 6/12/20 at 10:53 am to QJenk
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One thing I admit that I did not know was the backstory to the Chris Dorner thing. I thought he was just another random serial killer. But the fact that apparently he tried to speak out against fellow officers and got fired for that is really fricked up. Obviously the acts he did were very despicable, but police should not be afraid of being reprimanded if they try to speak out and hold a fellow officer accountable. That is something that must change imo.
That segment was the most poignant to me. Not only the part you pointed out, but the massive law enforcement response to his actions when compared to reactions when law enforcement officers kill civilians.
Posted on 6/12/20 at 11:02 am to OMLandshark
Can somebody give me a time stamp on the Don Lemon stuff?
Posted on 6/12/20 at 11:05 am to QJenk
The Chris Dorner thing lost me. I understand the dude went through hell because of speaking out against a fellow officer, but that's still no justification for killing innocent people and their families. frick that dude, he deserved what he got.
I also thought him conflating the idea that these people who were murdering cops were trained to "fight terror" was complete bullshite. The cops who died in Dallas/Baton Rouge/LA had nothing to do with the situations that led to those events.. Just as far as I know, innocent police officers doing their jobs.
I understand the connection he is trying to make, but those things have nothing to do with each other. And if your solution for wrongdoing is to murder innocent people, then the message you are trying to convey has lost all its meaning
I also thought him conflating the idea that these people who were murdering cops were trained to "fight terror" was complete bullshite. The cops who died in Dallas/Baton Rouge/LA had nothing to do with the situations that led to those events.. Just as far as I know, innocent police officers doing their jobs.
I understand the connection he is trying to make, but those things have nothing to do with each other. And if your solution for wrongdoing is to murder innocent people, then the message you are trying to convey has lost all its meaning
This post was edited on 6/12/20 at 11:11 am
Posted on 6/12/20 at 11:08 am to Wallywalrus
Well I sure hope he only says things I want to hear. If not be done with him!
Posted on 6/12/20 at 11:27 am to Corso
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Can somebody give me a time stamp on the Don Lemon stuff?
It's right at the beginning.
Posted on 6/12/20 at 11:33 am to Triple Bogey
quote:I don't think you understood what he was saying.
The Chris Dorner thing lost me. I understand the dude went through hell because of speaking out against a fellow officer, but that's still no justification for killing innocent people and their families. frick that dude, he deserved what he got.
Posted on 6/12/20 at 11:46 am to JoeNelson
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Found it interesting he didnt mention Alton by name like the rest.
It seemed he brought it up simply to correlate it to the BR officers being killed. Plus, good ole Alton actually shot himself through his pocket trying to shoot the cops. Maybe Dave knew that
Posted on 6/12/20 at 11:50 am to TheBaker
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Plus, good ole Alton actually shot himself through his pocket trying to shoot the cops.
How come this is the first time I am hearing this...is that true?
Posted on 6/12/20 at 11:50 am to Triple Bogey
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I understand the connection he is trying to make, but those things have nothing to do with each other. And if your solution for wrongdoing is to murder innocent people, then the message you are trying to convey has lost all its meaning
And that is the big misconception. They're making the negligent actions of scared, stupid, and overzealous cops the same as planned ambushes on innocent policeman.
Posted on 6/12/20 at 11:52 am to JodyPlauche
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How come this is the first time I am hearing this...is that true?
Sure is. In my former career, I've been a co-worker of several investigators from the AG's office that handled the case. Don't find if funny that it all sorta just "went away" relative to Alton Sterling?
This post was edited on 6/12/20 at 11:56 am
Posted on 6/12/20 at 1:21 pm to TheBaker
i think you are right. i thought Dave made some great points. As i was watching i was wondering if he would mention Alton. I had made up my mind if he acts like Alton was an innocent victim he would lose me. He handled it nicely.
Posted on 6/12/20 at 2:03 pm to HonoraryCoonass
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Was that a call for more violence at the end
Yes, I think he was saying that if we can't solve this through civil discourse, violence is the next step.
Posted on 6/12/20 at 2:25 pm to TygerTyger
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bullshite. Martin could just walk away. Martin assaulted Z.
Look at the evidence, not the narrative.
Why couldn't Zimmerman just walk away?
Posted on 6/12/20 at 2:27 pm to tetracarbon
Does Chappelle mention that Floyd and the cop had a history and that it's very possible it influenced the murder?
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