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re: Elementary School Kids Getting Straight A's
Posted on 5/27/22 at 11:06 am to bbarras85
Posted on 5/27/22 at 11:06 am to bbarras85
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My kid is repeating first grade next year so there's that.
He's doing fine in school now, but from both an academic and social aspect I wish we would have had him repeat kindergarten. He's and only child and one of the youngest in his class. It would have helped his social development.
And FWIW, they don't get letter grades at his school They get "Mastery" (Above benchmark), "at benchmark" and "below benchmarks" with the particular skill called out. I think that more clearly defines where a kid is academically that a straight letter grade.
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Posted on 5/27/22 at 11:10 am to couv1217
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Very normal. The teachers are forced to give kids 2,3,4,etc chances until they make an A.
You got a lot of downvotes, but this is my experience. I know my son is given MULTIPLE times to get a better grade if needed.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 11:11 am to Hobie101
quote:You didn't make all A's in 2nd grade?
I was certainly not an all A student, but that is my point. If the entire class is getting perfect scores, the class is probably too easy.
It's elementary school, man. We're trying to teach kids how to learn, not see how many we can flunk out. I don't know where or if it even happens, but if they let a kid take the same test 3 or 4 times until they pass it, let them do it. I think that kid will be better served doing that than if they just tell him he failed and wish him luck with the next chapter. Perseverance is a great life lesson.
Anyway, my kids are learning stuff a year or two earlier than I did. The kids are alright.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 11:14 am to bbarras85
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My kid is repeating first grade next year so there's that.
You know what, I appreciate the candor
I went to an award ceremony for my 3rd grader a few months back because she was being given a class award. During that same award ceremony the school was honoring all students to made Honor Roll (A's and B's) and Straight A's for the quarter. My child made the Honor Roll and I was a proud parent...until they started reading off the names of the other students who made either the Honor Roll or Straight A's. 75% of the class fit in one of those categories and there were more that made Straight A's than those on the Honor Roll. It (somewhat) turned my pride into a question of WTF? It made making the Honor Roll seem like an underachievement and left me saying either (a) we have to step it up on the studying (b) they are just handing out A's and B's at this school, or (c) this curriculum is WAY too easy. It seems statistically unlikely 75% of the kids in the 3 grade are, at minimum, honor roll students. Moreso when I actually spent time around some of these kids. Some of them didn't know basic math, that Mexico was not a US state, or even how to open a door with a big "Pull" sign listed on it.
We are fast approaching a day (if not there already) where HS classes will have 27 valedictorians with only about 2 who can quickly spout off the answer to 4X5 or tell you the significance of July 4th
Posted on 5/27/22 at 11:28 am to Korkstand
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It's elementary school, man. We're trying to teach kids how to learn, not see how many we can flunk out. I don't know where or if it even happens, but if they let a kid take the same test 3 or 4 times until they pass it, let them do it. I think that kid will be better served doing that than if they just tell him he failed and wish him luck with the next chapter. Perseverance is a great life lesson.
Another great life lesson is learning from failure.
I would imagine many on here would tell you experiencing failure, academically and beyond, made them smarter and better people. Learning from mistakes is a big part of developing as a human being. Artificially eliminating negative consequences does nothing but make people incapable of dealing with such when they inevitably arise.
I'm not saying the goal should be to flunk out 2nd graders. But teaching kids it's not important to study hard because you'll get 3-4 chances to eventually get it right is a terrible and unrealistic "lesson". Getting an F puts you at a crossroad where you have to ask yourself "Am I fine with continuing to get F's?" Or "do I want to make the necessary changes in an effort to never get an F again?" It is NEVER too early to learn that failure is a part of life and that the response to failure is what makes a person develop.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 11:36 am to Alt26
quote:Uh huh. And how should we gauge whether they've learned from the initial failure? Test again, right?
Another great life lesson is learning from failure.
quote:Is having to do the same thing over and over not a negative consequence? We're talking about 7 year olds.
Artificially eliminating negative consequences does nothing but make people incapable of dealing with such when they inevitably arise.
quote:Do you have kids? I can tell you that mine at least do NOT look at it as getting 3 or 4 chances, they look at it as having to do something 3 or 4 times if they don't get it right the first time.
But teaching kids it's not important to study hard because you'll get 3-4 chances to eventually get it right is a terrible and unrealistic "lesson".
quote:Again, we are talking about 7 year olds.
Getting an F puts you at a crossroad where you have to ask yourself "Am I fine with continuing to get F's?" Or "do I want to make the necessary changes in an effort to never get an F again?"
Posted on 5/27/22 at 11:40 am to Alt26
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Another great life lesson is learning from failure.
The best.
Kids need to learn to lose as well as win. Nothing motivates like losing.
Kids today don't have the benefit of life lessons like we had.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 12:42 pm to Alt26
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75% of the class fit in one of those categories and there were more that made Straight A's than those on the Honor Roll. It made making the Honor Roll seem like an underachievement and left me saying either (a) we have to step it up on the studying (b) they are just handing out A's and B's at this school, or (c) this curriculum is WAY too easy. It seems statistically unlikely 75% of the kids in the 3 grade are, at minimum, honor roll students.
This is pretty much my exact experience and opinion, and the reason I started the thread
Posted on 5/27/22 at 12:55 pm to Hobie101
Sounds like the summer school class for the Alabama recruits.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 1:02 pm to BigPerm30
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Participation trophies for everyone. Weak
I’m 67, when I was in the 2nd grade your incentive to learn was getting a better grade. Grades had meaning, you could fail the 2nd grade.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 1:25 pm to bbarras85
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My kid is repeating first grade next year so there's that.
We'll call that an "academic redshirt".
Posted on 5/27/22 at 1:29 pm to madmaxvol
Nobody gets left behind
Posted on 5/27/22 at 1:32 pm to Hobie101
Ya'll are in here arguing for grade stratification for second graders
If they all correctly identify verbs and adjectives what exactly are the teachers supposed to do?
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