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re: Ending Life Due To Medical Issues
Posted on 11/27/20 at 11:39 am to Saints83
Posted on 11/27/20 at 11:39 am to Saints83
Serious question, OP - are you on the autism spectrum? It sounds like you are obsessing over something that should not be a major issue. If you are jobless, is there someone who can help you get on public assistance? A family member maybe? Your physical problems are not your problem, and you have panic attacks on planes. Panic attacks can also sometimes trigger asthma or asthma-like symptoms, and sometimes asthma can trigger panic. Carry an inhaler and maybe an epi pen. You may pass out but you won’t die.
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Posted on 11/27/20 at 11:40 am to fr33manator
People must be bored today responding to a guy who posts the same thing over and over again.
He doesn't want help, he wants attention like a wittle baby bot.
He doesn't want help, he wants attention like a wittle baby bot.
Posted on 11/27/20 at 11:41 am to tiggerthetooth
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You need a major perspective change dude.
But maybe he doesn’t want that. If he’s tired of living and the ‘cons’ outweighs the ‘pros’ in his mind, he’s enduring a struggle everyday for nothing in return and no chance (again, in HIS mind) of improving to place where the ‘pros’ outweigh the ‘cons.
I get what he’s saying but I don’t know why he keeps coming back asking for different answers to the same questions. People aren’t going to understand or promote him deciding he would rather die than live.
From a spiritual perspective, those of us that believe have other reasons for wanting to live and understand that life is suffering. He just doesn’t have that.
I don’t know what to tell you the OP. He’s not going to find an option where he can submit himself to lethal injection. While I don’t encourage it all and have had enough dark days to understand what he’s trying to say, our society doesn’t and won’t allow what he’s seeking.
‘Suck it up, buttercup’ is what y’all are all telling him but he doesn’t want to suck it up. It’s not worth it.
Posted on 11/27/20 at 11:41 am to Saints83
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insurance was tied
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I'm still on their insurance
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Unfortunately I can't.
Posted on 11/27/20 at 11:41 am to Saints83
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The other option, like you mentioned, would be diseases that aren't terminal but that hurt qualify of life. That is the group I would put myself into. I think what would need to happen in this group is that you would need at least 3 doctors to sign off that your condition significantly affects your quality of life and that there is no new technology or treatments coming along in the next 5 years that would significantly improve your condition. If not 3 doctors then at least 2 doctors, say your Primary Care Physician and then a Specialist that covers your disease.
As for Mental Health that is significantly more difficult as I think the person should have to approve that they are of sound mind. In the first two groups there wouldn't be much debate that the person is in sound mind and judgement. But I do agree with you that if someone has crippling PTSD, Depression, Anxiety, Trauma, etc. that Death with Dignity should be available to them. The question would be how do you determine that the person is legally competent to make the decision?
I think the sort of quality control for lack of a better term that you mentioned is a good baseline. I also think for someone in case B there should be some sort of verified active effort to improve outlook and quality of life, etc. and again a time period in such programs before you are allowed to broach that situation - could even have like a final tribunal of doctors or whatever that confirms if a person is allowed to have access to end of life procedures in those situations.
For group C, it is absolutely the hardest to figure out and I think they could have a similar group of experts in mental health, etc. and I am really hesitant on supporting that kind of aspect. But really just if a person is fricking miserable, has tried to get better and can't create a stable and enjoyable life, etc. my guy tells me that as a society we should try to help them as much as possible but also that if suicide is the best answer for that person, they should have an avenue for making that decision. Very difficult and nuanced topic to wrap your head without a doubt.
Posted on 11/27/20 at 11:44 am to Sneaky__Sally
And on your situation OP, I have to agree you are struggling with mental and anxiety issues based on my uninformed and non-expert opinion. Figuring out how to change your lifestyle - dont' travel live in a rural area and enjoy your solitude (this is what I am hoping to do by making a move in 2021) or any number of lifestyle changes that work with whatever is going on in your head seems like a good path forward
Posted on 11/27/20 at 11:45 am to Saints83
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I know my health will only get worse as I get older.
newsflash.... everyone's health gets worse as they get older
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is it so wrong to feel like you've been dealt a bad hand? Very few people in their 30s deal with these issues.
And very few people in their 30s are starring down the barrel of at least 1 more open heart surgery just to buy a few more years to get them to the heart AND liver transplant they will need. But you dont see me contemplating suicide once mom kicks the bucket. You honestly need help.
I wish all I had was an itchy arse and a little trouble getting on a plane.
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Find me another person in their 30s who's body seems to want to reject flying?
So fricking what? Drive a car or take a fricking cruise. Jesus man, there are more ways to travel.
This post was edited on 11/27/20 at 11:51 am
Posted on 11/27/20 at 11:48 am to Sneaky__Sally
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What do you mean the sister can't be admitted to hospice because of the nurse? legitimately curious about whatever fricked up rule makes that a thing and this situation is why I am 1000% behind death with dignity laws (If she would like to choose that path)
That through me off too. My mom was a nurse and she got hospice for her mother quite seamlessly.
I hope the poster comes back to explain that unfortunate situation. Seems crazy.
Posted on 11/27/20 at 11:48 am to CatsGoneWild
quote:nothing in the Bible supports that assertion for Christians
. People that commit suicide are not going to end their pain, they are just going to further it in the next life
Posted on 11/27/20 at 11:49 am to supadave3
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You need a major perspective change dude.
But maybe he doesn’t want that. If he’s tired of living and the ‘cons’ outweighs the ‘pros’ in his mind, he’s enduring a struggle everyday for nothing in return and no chance (again, in HIS mind) of improving to place where the ‘pros’ outweigh the ‘cons.
I get what he’s saying but I don’t know why he keeps coming back asking for different answers to the same questions. People aren’t going to understand or promote him deciding he would rather die than live.
From a spiritual perspective, those of us that believe have other reasons for wanting to live and understand that life is suffering. He just doesn’t have that.
I don’t know what to tell you the OP. He’s not going to find an option where he can submit himself to lethal injection. While I don’t encourage it all and have had enough dark days to understand what he’s trying to say, our society doesn’t and won’t allow what he’s seeking.
‘Suck it up, buttercup’ is what y’all are all telling him but he doesn’t want to suck it up. It’s not worth it.
I agree with most all of this - I think as a society we should try our best to give people in these kind of mental struggles every opportunity and encouragement to find a lifestyle that works for them, etc. But I have known several people who struggled deeply with depression issues and tried to work out of it and nothing helped, one killed himself as he saw that as the best option out - the other is an alcoholic and addict who does whatever he can to try and fill the void - I could 100% get behind a program directed at these people that would try and integrate them back into a healthy and somewhat fulfilling lifestyle or offer them a way out if that is ultimately the best option for them
Posted on 11/27/20 at 11:52 am to Saints83
quote:These really aren't huge problems. The blood pressure is part of tens of millions of American lives. Hemorrhoids are painful at times, but again millions of people have them. The asthma? There are good treatments for that. You are catastrophizing and probably should see a therapist to talk about these issues.
I suffer from high blood pressure which is hereditary and if like my dad will probably lead me to suffering from heart disease. I also suffer from persistent hemorrhoids which needless to say causes occasional bloody stools and general discomfort when going...Allergic Asthma.
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This post was edited on 11/27/20 at 11:55 am
Posted on 11/27/20 at 11:57 am to beerJeep
quote:This reminds me of the Al Gore/George W. Bush presidential candidates debate when Gore told Bush Texas should have a hate crimes law to use to prosecute the two guys who tortured and killed that gay guy.
What’s the punishment for someone who commits suicide? They’re already dead
Bush replied, "They were found guilty of murder and we're going to execute them. What do you want us to do...kill them TWICE?!?"
Posted on 11/27/20 at 12:01 pm to Saints83
My mom and dad both (Dad more than Mom) had some time at the end where there wasn't any point.
Looking back years later does it really matter that Mom died Feb 2 rather than Jan 15? Dad didn't know where he was the last 6 months or a year.
Looking back years later does it really matter that Mom died Feb 2 rather than Jan 15? Dad didn't know where he was the last 6 months or a year.
Posted on 11/27/20 at 12:03 pm to im4LSU
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Find me another person in their 30s who's body seems to want to reject flying?
So fricking what? Drive a car or take a fricking cruise. Jesus man, there are more ways to travel.
He’s definitely got some mental illness going on of this is one of his concerns he felt important enough to even mention in a thread about why he should be allowed to Die With Dignity.
Posted on 11/27/20 at 12:04 pm to Saints83
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Obviously suicide is illegal
Good luck putting me in jail for it.
Posted on 11/27/20 at 12:05 pm to Saints83
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Obviously suicide is illegal and largely looked down upon in this country. We look at suicide as an ultimately selfish act, that those people aren't thinking about the family and friends they are impacting. I think this viewpoint ironically is far more selfish than the selfish act of suicide but nonetheless this is the main argument against suicide.
People who commit suicide are not selfish. In that moment, they are fully convinced the people they love will be better off without them. It is a violent and tragic decision, perhaps a fulfilled impulse in a moment of desperate self-loathing and hopelessness- but not “selfish.”
The victims are the loved ones forever tasked to reconcile that someone they love murdered someone they love, and there will never be real justice, explanations, or apologies for that crime.
Dying with dignity is a different situation. Your hypertension, hemorrhoids, and asthma may seriously affect your dignity and quality of life but I don’t think it is the same as a person who is bedridden and lives in constant, immobilizing pain.
If you are considering the topic of suicide, you ought to talk to someone about why. It’s free and confidential.
Suicide prevention hotline
This post was edited on 11/27/20 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 11/27/20 at 12:10 pm to OWLFAN86
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Obviously suicide is illegal
is it though?
I’ll never forget my grandmother worrying over this after my father’s suicide. Yes, it is actually a crime.
Posted on 11/27/20 at 12:11 pm to Misnomer
luckily it's usually a suspended sentence.
Posted on 11/27/20 at 12:13 pm to supadave3
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He’s definitely got some mental illness going on of this is one of his concerns
Of course he does, but he already knows that.
Posted on 11/27/20 at 12:16 pm to Saints83
You want to kill your self for HTN and Hemorrhoids?
I could give you plenty of better reasons to kill one self but needing hemorrhoid cream is not one of them. BTW HTN is easily treatable.
I could give you plenty of better reasons to kill one self but needing hemorrhoid cream is not one of them. BTW HTN is easily treatable.
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