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Posted on 7/11/15 at 11:43 am to trom83
I want a $6-7 per hour raise for no reason. Oh wait, I went to college and improved myself. Guess I don't get any benefits like the poor, stupid, and lazy.
Posted on 7/11/15 at 11:48 am to Peazey
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It isn't quite as simple as everything just adjusting upward. Inflation wouldn't just be 1:1.
Automation will increase along with unemployment.
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In this country we have one of the larger imbalances of income in the developed world, with the top earners taking in a disproportionately large percentage of overall output. Ideally, a law like this would just take away all the excess that the very top keeps.
Posted on 7/11/15 at 11:56 am to trom83
I think wages need to be higher. I think it's silly that inflation and the cost of goods rise, but average wages don't.
I know minimum wage is not popular here on conservative tigerdroppings, but truth is, what the wage is now is shite. On the other side $15 is too high.
A skilled technician in my trade out of training makes that, and I would think if fast food wages climb to $15, every other menial low wage job would have to exceed that. SO a secretary would need $20/hr to start, Cooks would need $20 and so on. The trickle down would be horrible. So I agree you can never raise the wage more than a dollar and some change at a time.
TL;DR. Minimum wage too low, $15 too high.
I know minimum wage is not popular here on conservative tigerdroppings, but truth is, what the wage is now is shite. On the other side $15 is too high.
A skilled technician in my trade out of training makes that, and I would think if fast food wages climb to $15, every other menial low wage job would have to exceed that. SO a secretary would need $20/hr to start, Cooks would need $20 and so on. The trickle down would be horrible. So I agree you can never raise the wage more than a dollar and some change at a time.
TL;DR. Minimum wage too low, $15 too high.
Posted on 7/11/15 at 12:17 pm to Napoleon
What most people fail to realize is that the low minimum wage creates a situation where taxpayers are subsidizing the labor model of employers.
Employers can get away with paying less than true value for labor because food stamps, section 8 housing, Medicaid and other programs make up the difference. It's corporate welfare in disguise.
2/3rds of children on Medicaid in the state of Alabama have at least one parent who is working....and the two largest employers of those workers are Wal Mart and the State of Alabama!
Employers can get away with paying less than true value for labor because food stamps, section 8 housing, Medicaid and other programs make up the difference. It's corporate welfare in disguise.
2/3rds of children on Medicaid in the state of Alabama have at least one parent who is working....and the two largest employers of those workers are Wal Mart and the State of Alabama!
Posted on 7/11/15 at 12:20 pm to Bullfrog
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will spur innovation to automate every fast food joint into a big vending machine and thereby improve the product and add to the unemployed population.
100% this.
Walmart will also be automated one day.
You walk up, key in what you want or order online, and a full cart or package is just waiting on you.
The future is the end of going to the store anyway.
As soon as amazon figures out how to same day deliver shite to you it will do to Walmart what Netflix did to blockbuster.
The cool thing is this will actually revert cities back to mom and pop shops. People will still want to be able to buy things same day, but it won't be sustainable got a massive bulk business but it will be enough to sustain mom and pop type shops
This post was edited on 7/11/15 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 7/11/15 at 12:26 pm to trom83
I just ate at a chipotle and with how poorly run it is, the manager doesn't even deserve 15 dollars an hour.
Posted on 7/11/15 at 12:28 pm to trom83
I read an article on yahoo a couple days ago about the unemployment aspect of the $15 living wage. They predicted that 300k jobs that would be available would no longer be and I would believe that. If it costs a McDonalds $25k to install a new touchscreen that can correctly take an order and correctly give back change, it would be worth the capital to do if overnight the person doing a piss poor job is making double what they were.
The truth is this and it is very simple, if you can literally walk into the parking lot (whether it be Wal-Mart or Burger King) and point to someone who can do the same job as the person that has been behind the counter for 3 months, they don't deserve to make more than $8 an hour. Gather skill and work hard and move up where ever you are and stop asking for instant gratification. If they get $15 an hour, then they will demand 25 in a few years when inflation blows up the prices of every day goods that they buy.
The truth is this and it is very simple, if you can literally walk into the parking lot (whether it be Wal-Mart or Burger King) and point to someone who can do the same job as the person that has been behind the counter for 3 months, they don't deserve to make more than $8 an hour. Gather skill and work hard and move up where ever you are and stop asking for instant gratification. If they get $15 an hour, then they will demand 25 in a few years when inflation blows up the prices of every day goods that they buy.
Posted on 7/11/15 at 12:42 pm to eScott
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eScott
It's a fact that real wages for the middle and lower classes have done nothing but decrease over the last 40 years. If you don't recognize this as a fact and issue then I don't know what to tell you.
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Automation will increase along with unemployment.
This response doesn't follow what you quoted. As in it isn't a logical retort, and it is not germane to the point that I made.
This post was edited on 7/11/15 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 7/11/15 at 12:56 pm to trom83
I remember the days when people with no skills had to work two jobs to make ends meet. Didn't take them long to learn a skill.
Posted on 7/11/15 at 1:09 pm to Peazey
Maybe I misunderstood what you were saying, I really just skim over TD while I'm working so I apologize if I did. Even if we disagree I'm the type of person that loves a good debate, I just rarely have the time to go into detail about many things posted.
My first response wasn't clear, I was just agreeing with you about it not being a 1:1 ratio dollar wise and that we would be impacted in other ways as well.
My second quote read like everyone's wages should be controlled to some degree, and it wasn't right or fair that top earners were able to keep so much of the income they made. I'll go back and reread it.
My first response wasn't clear, I was just agreeing with you about it not being a 1:1 ratio dollar wise and that we would be impacted in other ways as well.
My second quote read like everyone's wages should be controlled to some degree, and it wasn't right or fair that top earners were able to keep so much of the income they made. I'll go back and reread it.
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