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re: Ford ends Ford F-150 Lightning EV production; writes off $19.5B in losses
Posted on 12/16/25 at 2:32 pm to CAD703X
Posted on 12/16/25 at 2:32 pm to CAD703X
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so ford put into production what some tesla owners did which was to put a generator in their trunk with a can of gasoline to charge the batteries on long trips.
They're basically developing their version of the Ramcharger. And I highly doubt anyone actually got a portal generator to work to charge a Tesla outside of doing it for social media likes. Portable gensets have terrible frequency stability and the BMS in a Tesla is pretty sensitive.
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Posted on 12/16/25 at 2:39 pm to geauxtigers87
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anyone with a brain knew this was doomed
Except corporate America.
Posted on 12/16/25 at 2:41 pm to saintforlife1
Posted on 12/16/25 at 2:41 pm to saintforlife1
So they are basically following Toyota's lead, about two years $20B too late.
Expensive lesson.
Expensive lesson.
This post was edited on 12/16/25 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 12/16/25 at 2:45 pm to Sharlo
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So they are basically following Toyota's lead, about two years $20B too late.
Toyota took a bunch of heat for ditching EVs and focusing on gas/elec hybrids. But the CEO at the time said out loud that EVs were nonviable in too many markets and settings (paraphrasing).
They're not as much ditching as refocusing on smaller more affordable EVs. For whatever reason they thought people wanted full size trucks and SUV EVs. Which was retarded.
FYI the 19.5B consists of:
8.5B for future models that they will never make now (mostly R&D)
6B to buy out of a JV for battery cells with SK
5B in other expenses (marketing, legal, retools, etc.)
Posted on 12/16/25 at 2:50 pm to CAD703X
There's a Ram concept truck that has a small v6 that only charges the batteries. A form of hybrid. Not sure it'll make production.
Posted on 12/16/25 at 2:59 pm to saintforlife1
People joke that guns are part of American DNA.
Well, the internal combustion engine is right there next in line. Someone could invent the perfect electric vehicle tomorrow and most of us will stick with our gas powered vehicles.
That’s just how it is. The green types just need to accept it.
Well, the internal combustion engine is right there next in line. Someone could invent the perfect electric vehicle tomorrow and most of us will stick with our gas powered vehicles.
That’s just how it is. The green types just need to accept it.
Posted on 12/16/25 at 3:02 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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I'm curious if people who own them will still be able to get them serviced over the coming years/decades.
Could be a serious issue for dozens of people.
Posted on 12/16/25 at 3:10 pm to saintforlife1
Yep, big job losses here in Kentucky, AFTER we gave Ford millions in tax credits.
Posted on 12/16/25 at 3:26 pm to saintforlife1
I remember when the Ford F150 Lightening was the darling of this board. All the Global Warming Suckers were hyping it strongly.
Posted on 12/16/25 at 3:30 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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I'm curious if people who own them will still be able to get them serviced over the coming years/decades.
It's a MUCH more serious problem than service - so many of them have caught on fire that many major insurance companies will not cover them and owners are warned to not park them inside a garage - no insurance, no registration - completely worthless - Ford is offering pennies on the dollar to buy them all back at a cost of several billion $$$.
Posted on 12/16/25 at 3:34 pm to saintforlife1
I remember a few here cheering for Ford and believing every piece of their marketing hype.
I did find one thread from 2022 but there were many more multi-page threads.
https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/o-t-lounge/the-f-150-lightning-is-finally-shipping--is-ford-ready/102263905/
I did find one thread from 2022 but there were many more multi-page threads.
https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/o-t-lounge/the-f-150-lightning-is-finally-shipping--is-ford-ready/102263905/
Posted on 12/16/25 at 3:38 pm to saintforlife1
Trucks have to be able to tow.
That simple.
That simple.
Posted on 12/16/25 at 3:42 pm to Napoleon
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There's a Ram concept truck that has a small v6 that only charges the batteries. A form of hybrid. Not sure it'll make production.
The Ramcharger that Bill mentioned earlier (technically the REV), and it is 100% going in to production.
Posted on 12/16/25 at 3:44 pm to saintforlife1
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writes off $19.5B in losses
Posted on 12/16/25 at 4:44 pm to billjamin
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For whatever reason they thought people wanted full size trucks and SUV EVs. Which was retarded.
Agreed. It was always such a limited use case. Little EVs can be ok for people living in urban settings with good weather. Basically, Cali. Lol.
But most people who buy half-ton pickups live in either rural America, or in the burbs, but spend much of their free time getting the hell away from the charging grid. Often towing heavy stuff. And we live in places with grid disruptions like hurricanes. And in all of those use cases, half-ton EVs suck.
It's as if Ford leadership has no sense of its core customers and what they actually do with trucks. Shocker.
But that's an old problem. They have turned out soooo many shitty trucks in the last 20 years. Remember the 6.0 liter diesel F-250s?
Ford lost its way chasing all that eco garbage. Fine for compacts, stupid idea for trucks.
Posted on 12/16/25 at 4:54 pm to Sus-Scrofa
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Well, the internal combustion engine is right there next in line. Someone could invent the perfect electric vehicle tomorrow and most of us will stick with our gas powered vehicles.
That’s just how it is. The green types just need to accept it.
What I can't stand is the coercion on this issue. I don't care if greenies think they're saving the planet by driving lithium-ion propelled EVs (they're not, but that's beside the point.) They can go for it. I don't care. But they insist on doing everything in their power to kill the method of propulsion that built and continues to build this country.
It's a damned shame, but as best I can tell, the best truck engines ever built in this country were probably in the mid 90s. Those GMC Vortec V8s were plentiful, relatively cheap, and pretty reliable. Same with the Fords. That 7.2 L Ford Diesel may be the best mass produced diesel engine ever made. I still see those things clunking around. I owned a few of them, and basically the truck just fell apart around the engine.
But ever since then, they quit pushing for improvement on the metrics that affect performance and focused on all the emissions BS. And many of the "innovations" adversely affected performance.
So F Ford. They earned this.
Posted on 12/16/25 at 4:55 pm to Sharlo
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Remember the 6.0 liter diesel F-250s?
To be fair that was on NAVSTAR. They made that thing a piece of shite by getting cheap on cleaning out the block. I had one unfortunately. The only nice thing was once you fixed the cooling issues, they were pretty stout and made big power.
Posted on 12/16/25 at 4:59 pm to billjamin
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To be fair that was on NAVSTAR.
Who got in bed with NAVSTAR? From the consumer's perspective, the engine is the truck. They know that, so I hang the NAVSTAR debacle on Ford. (And I had one of those damned trucks, too. It was a beast...when it was running.)
Posted on 12/16/25 at 5:00 pm to Sharlo
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Who got in bed with NAVSTAR? From the consumer's perspective, the engine is the truck. They know that, so I hang the NAVSTAR debacle on Ford. (And I had one of those damned trucks, too. It was a beast...when it was running.)
That’s fair. And I also blame ford for not putting a coolant filter on it like every other non-ford. 6.0 had. That would have fixed everything.
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