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re: Hobby Lobby defies shutdown order, begins re-opening stores
Posted on 4/1/20 at 2:45 pm to Rep520
Posted on 4/1/20 at 2:45 pm to Rep520
quote:For the 3rd time. The sole purpose was to protect hospitals. Not for people who will get covid regardless (a number that won’t be any different regardless of these measures). Look, slowing the spread keeps the hospitals above water. That means when people get in wrecks, have heart attacks, fall off their roof, they have somewhere to go and be saved. That’s who these restrictions are for. Sure, some old guy who got covid and needed a vent will be saved, too. But he would be in the minority if we lost the healthcare system.
If you don't think the quarantine idea is to take immediate, strong action to prevent a worse outcome over a prolonged period, what do you think the idea is?
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Posted on 4/1/20 at 2:45 pm to ClampClampington
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The quickest way to eradicate this thing is to lay low.
For how long?! That's the question that no one knows the answer to. Uncertainty leads to fear which leads to panic. Panic leads to rioting and so on. The cure then becomes deadlier than the disease.
And you don't eradicate a virus. You mitigate it with a vaccine. And we won't have a vaccine until next year at the earliest. If we flatten the curve, go back to work, and this thing comes back in the fall, do you tell people to shelter-in-place once more?
Posted on 4/1/20 at 2:46 pm to ell_13
quote:Nobody wants to be responsible for the economic impact we are about to face. Scientists DO want this over quickly and is why they have been preaching for bigger restrictions. Politicians, and people like you, are only concerned about themselves & their legacy.
You’ll never see a scientist or politician claim this is going to be over faster with what we are doing.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 2:46 pm to REG861
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I thought you already broke house arrest to go outside in an act of defiance
I went for a 4.5-mile jog this morning and it was nice.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 2:47 pm to ell_13
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We aren’t trying to deal with this quickly. That was never the goal. You’ll never see a scientist or politician claim this is going to be over faster with what we are doing.
Yes we are. The flatten the curve idea is to prevent or minimize the time the death rate is unsustainable, as well as the resulting healthcare burden.
Flattening the curve gets us past a crisis point faster or prevents us from hitting it. The concern is that if it's unchecked, the spread can keep us at that crisis point for months or longer.
Like I said in my post, herd immunity level for the US is about 200 million people. That's a long way to go under any model.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 2:47 pm to Centinel
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And this is why you can't find any paper or sanitation products in most grocery stores.
Because everyone "bought a little more"
Not my fault everyone else was late to the punch. Even if this blows over next week, I won’t have to buy any more toilet paper for 3-4 years !
Posted on 4/1/20 at 2:47 pm to CaptainPanic
quote:Medical professionals don’t want their hospitals at capacity. That’s the reason for the restrictions. Not to end this sooner.
Scientists DO want this over quickly and is why they have been preaching for bigger restrictions.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 2:48 pm to Centinel
Until Sirius stops mailing me promos since I cancelled their service, I'm not worried about a tp shortage
Posted on 4/1/20 at 2:48 pm to Norbert
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Grocery stores are an exception bc you have to eat to survive
And you need money to buy food from grocery stores. How does one get money if they have been forced into unemployment by the government?
Posted on 4/1/20 at 2:49 pm to Rep520
quote:If we had let this go, it would have spread faster, affected the people it was going to affect. And then be basically over. Have you not seen the flatten the curve images? The high peak falls and goes below the flattened curve before it ever hits its peak.
The flatten the curve idea is to prevent or minimize the time the death rate is unsustainable
Posted on 4/1/20 at 2:49 pm to ell_13
Ending this sooner reduces the need for hospitals over a longer period of time than needed.
JFC
JFC
Posted on 4/1/20 at 2:49 pm to RollTide1987
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the vast majority of them are cowering behind their government in fear.
Cowering behind the government in fear?
So in this situation, we need to ignore the fact that hospitals are operating at or over capacity that doctors and nurses are already being overworked
And just open everything back up so that it can spread out of control so that there will be a lot more people who need medical attention, who would not receive it because the system would be overloaded?
And this argument about "well grocery stores are open so why cant other places be open?" Yes grocery stores are open. The two times I have gone to the grocery store since this started, it was not at all as many people as usual. For the most part it seemed like most people were grabbing items they needed and checking out. I didn't really see people just looking around.
There was a guy by the baskets who would pull one out for people who needed them, but he sprayed sanitizer on them and wiped them down first. Workers had gloves on.
It might not be like that at every store, but the idea is to limit as much as possible in order to not have an environment where a bunch of people are not crowded together, as much as possible.
Why is this so hard for people? Yes it sucks. Yes it will have a negative impact on us, the economy, etc but the more places that open up the more places there are for this to spread.
Its not about "let people make their own decisions. If they want to quarantine then they can, but the government shouldn't tell people they can't do something or not go anywhere". I normally agree with that, but in this case how do you recommend they handle hospitals being over capacity?
Should people who have the symptoms of coronavirus stay home and if it gets worse then just let them die although there is away to prevent them from doing so, but because RollTide1987 thinks people are cowards and fear the government, a normally healthy person shouldn't be able to receive the treatment that will allow them to easily get over it which would increase their chances of dying?
Then everyone would be raising hell because the government knew about this and did nothing to protect people. .
Just follow the guidelines. This is temporary, but if all of these idiots keep opening more places that will draw crowds then it would spread even more and it will slow down everything even longer. How is this hard for people to understand?
Posted on 4/1/20 at 2:51 pm to CaptainPanic
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It can be spread before symptoms are apparent.
Not by magic. It’s by absorbing mucus droplets.
Wash your hands. Don’t touch your face in public. Wear a mask if you want. The virus isn’t enteral. It dies in a day or two. If they open Tues, Thurs, and Saturdays would you be ok with that?
Posted on 4/1/20 at 2:52 pm to CaptainPanic
quote:Sure it does. We could have ended this really fast if we let the old people die and just let it spread and created herd immunity. Hospitals would have been completely fine if they didn’t take in anyone over 60. Is that your suggestion?
Ending this sooner reduces the need for hospitals over a longer period of time than needed.
This post was edited on 4/1/20 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 4/1/20 at 2:52 pm to CaptainPanic
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Yeah because food & necessities is the same as cute picture frames & fabric for arts & crafts projects.
Well, for one it's people back to work. And another, maybe some people rely on those cute picture frames or fabric for arts and crafts projects for their livelihood.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 2:52 pm to OweO
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So in this situation, we need to ignore the fact that hospitals are operating at or over capacity that doctors and nurses are already being overworked
Yes.
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And just open everything back up so that it can spread out of control so that there will be a lot more people who need medical attention, who would not receive it because the system would be overloaded?
It's likely going to come back in the fall anyway. Do we close up shop again when it does?
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The two times I have gone to the grocery store since this started, it was not at all as many people as usual. For the most part it seemed like most people were grabbing items they needed and checking out. I didn't really see people just looking around.
And you don't think this same scenario will play out at other businesses?
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Why is this so hard for people?
Because I would rather die than sacrifice constitutional freedoms in the name of safety. The mortality rate for life is 100%. Don't forget that.
This post was edited on 4/1/20 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 4/1/20 at 2:54 pm to ell_13
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If we had let this go, it would have spread faster, affected the people it was going to affect. And then be basically over.
There are 330 million people in the country, most of whom don't want to get Covid.
Even an unchecked spread is going to take a fairly long time to play out. Nobody's signing up for a Covid playdate, and there are millions of people to potentially go through.
The quarantine is to minimize or avoid catastrophic levels occurring at a peak, because that peak level can last for a long time.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 2:57 pm to CaptainPanic
Stop being such a pussy. Home Depot , Lowe’s, grocery stores, Academy, etc all are open and busy.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 2:57 pm to RollTide1987
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Hopefully more businesses follow suit. People's livelihoods, and thus their very lives, are at stake. We shouldn't ever sacrifice liberty for safety.
This is by far the dumbest concept. People use this quote and this quarantine is not taking anyone's liberty away. Geeze, you have not lost any rights, you have been asked to stay at home to protect America. Wonder if all the people that had to sacrifice during WWII acted like a bunch of whiny bitches...
Posted on 4/1/20 at 2:58 pm to RollTide1987
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Because I would rather die than sacrifice constitutional freedoms in the name of safety.
And what about the Constitutional rights of others?
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