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re: Is undergrad college worth it?
Posted on 8/13/21 at 8:19 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
Posted on 8/13/21 at 8:19 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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Why don't you try being an engineer or doctor without a college degree and let me know how it works out for you
Fail.
He said without the “traditional college experience “. Not no college. Examples could be grinding online course credits to save money, getting prerequisites done in community college, taking AP classes in high school, internship credits, etc.
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Posted on 8/13/21 at 8:21 pm to Obtuse1
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Obtuse1
Did you used to have a business called Bacon Me Please?
Posted on 8/13/21 at 8:23 pm to Jyrdis
I think part of the confusion is really around “is a college degree worth it?” And to add on top of that, is a degree-required job worth it?
The answer to that is a resounding yes. The exception being someone who overpays for a really expensive private school university, without capitalizing on what that can offer in the marketplace (e.g. a History teacher in Ascension Parish with a Harvard degree).
What’s a bit difficult is assessing whether the kid will actually graduate with a degree AND successfully find a good career in the field. This would depend highly on the student and on the field of choice.
The earning potential of a college degree far outweighs that without one. There’s also plenty of studies that show high priced private school college degrees are NOT typically worth it, save for a few outliers.
The answer to that is a resounding yes. The exception being someone who overpays for a really expensive private school university, without capitalizing on what that can offer in the marketplace (e.g. a History teacher in Ascension Parish with a Harvard degree).
What’s a bit difficult is assessing whether the kid will actually graduate with a degree AND successfully find a good career in the field. This would depend highly on the student and on the field of choice.
The earning potential of a college degree far outweighs that without one. There’s also plenty of studies that show high priced private school college degrees are NOT typically worth it, save for a few outliers.
Posted on 8/13/21 at 8:36 pm to tadman
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I could have absolutely learned them from a far cheaper community college or tech course.
Community College is not “far cheaper” than traditional 4 year schools. Not anymore. Maybe 12-15 years ago it was, but not now.
Posted on 8/13/21 at 8:39 pm to Nephropidae
I am in the learning world as a profession. As always, it depends on their interest and aspirations.
At my big earl co, we preach getting informal skill inventories and collaborative expertise.
But I will tell you this. Formal education still very highly valued. But, I strongly think the future of work will change "formal learning" into something far greater and more efficient than what it is today.
At my big earl co, we preach getting informal skill inventories and collaborative expertise.
But I will tell you this. Formal education still very highly valued. But, I strongly think the future of work will change "formal learning" into something far greater and more efficient than what it is today.
Posted on 8/13/21 at 8:42 pm to LSUtigerME
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I think part of the confusion is really around “is a college degree worth it?” And to add on top of that, is a degree-required job worth it?
The answer to that is a resounding yes. The exception being someone who overpays for a really expensive private school university, without capitalizing on what that can offer in the marketplace (e.g. a History teacher in Ascension Parish with a Harvard degree).
What’s a bit difficult is assessing whether the kid will actually graduate with a degree AND successfully find a good career in the field. This would depend highly on the student and on the field of choice.
The earning potential of a college degree far outweighs that without one. There’s also plenty of studies that show high priced private school college degrees are NOT typically worth it, save for a few outliers.
So why do you think a college degree and a degree required job is worth it?
Posted on 8/13/21 at 8:46 pm to Finchboyz
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What other time is it cool to do drugs and sleep with questionable women for 4 years?
that was age 14 to 30 for me
Posted on 8/13/21 at 8:49 pm to Nephropidae
You can do trade school and make really good money all the same
Posted on 8/13/21 at 8:56 pm to Nephropidae
Years ago
BA Business
MBA
Unfortunately, sometimes you need to piece of paper to get a job in certain fields.
Did I learn anything.
Not really.
At the time I went back for my masters I had a full time job and a family. All I cared about was getting by to get that piece of paper.
Where my career path changed was when my friends and I started a small hardware store focused on outdoor power equipment and selling plants.
Actually learned more by going to night school at a vo-tech for lawn mower repair and mfg schools on how to repair their equipment. At this point in my life I was very focused on learning how to repair mowers.
As far as running the hardware store with four partners. It was a learning experience. Luckily we had good buying group that trained us and was in a great area to grow our business.
BA Business
MBA
Unfortunately, sometimes you need to piece of paper to get a job in certain fields.
Did I learn anything.
Not really.
At the time I went back for my masters I had a full time job and a family. All I cared about was getting by to get that piece of paper.
Where my career path changed was when my friends and I started a small hardware store focused on outdoor power equipment and selling plants.
Actually learned more by going to night school at a vo-tech for lawn mower repair and mfg schools on how to repair their equipment. At this point in my life I was very focused on learning how to repair mowers.
As far as running the hardware store with four partners. It was a learning experience. Luckily we had good buying group that trained us and was in a great area to grow our business.
Posted on 8/13/21 at 8:57 pm to Nephropidae
No tell your kids to go to trade school and become plumbers or HVAC people. There's no reason for your kids to get educated beyond high school. Can't let then get exposed to weird things like anthropology or political science or learn about the universe in a general education astronomy course. No reason for them to learn stuff and be exposed to different ideas. No reason them to study the history of Europe or Asia at the college level and no reason for them to learn statistics and how to write at a college level.
Posted on 8/13/21 at 8:59 pm to Nephropidae
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See I think the complete opposite. For high achievers, college would be a goddamn waste of time. They are going to figure it out without a class schedule and part time job for 4 years.
Define “figure it out.” There are two ways to interpret that, both of which have come up in this thread.
The first is to say that will “figure out” the subject matter because there are ample resources available to learn without paying for college tuition nowadays. But that’s always been true - anyone can buy textbooks or go to the library. By that logic, why even go to high school? Just teach yourself algebra.
As an example, you can’t realistically just teach yourself to be an engineer. There’s a huge backbone of knowledge and understanding that’s required before you can even begin to understand the higher level concepts. Nobody (at least no sane person) enjoys learning differential equations. And in practice very few engineers actually use differential equations. But it’s important, because the value of an engineering degree isn’t that you learn the practical skills to be an engineer - it’s that you learn to think like an engineer. And even if you did expend the time to teach yourself all of those concepts, 1) it would be easier to just go to college, and 2) you would always be at a competitive disadvantage against those who have the degree to prove it.
The other way this could be interpreted is to say someone with a lot of potential will “figure out” life - meaning they will be successful, even if they don’t necessarily go into the same field that they would if they got a degree. This is true to a point. An enterprising HVAC tech can start his own business and make great money. But it’s a long, hard, stressful road.
If you’re forced to choose between 4 years of work experience in a trade vs. 4 years obtaining a STEM degree, the degree will almost always provide more opportunities, more career earnings, and a higher ceiling.
Posted on 8/13/21 at 8:59 pm to jkylejohnson
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Send them junior baws to trade school.
Yeah there's no reason to learn anything beyond high school. None. Make sure to stop learning fight after high school graduation and learn to fix my water heater and remodel my bathroom and fix my brakes.
Posted on 8/13/21 at 9:00 pm to Nephropidae
Holy shite you are dumb.
Now image you took your concept here, set through multiple "paid courses" that condensed learning of a specific topic. Some people call that a degree.
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paid courses
Now image you took your concept here, set through multiple "paid courses" that condensed learning of a specific topic. Some people call that a degree.
Posted on 8/13/21 at 9:02 pm to kywildcatfanone
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Not any more. Trade school
Yeah we need more plumbers. If we have more plumbers looking for work then it means I can spend less money on them when the toilet breaks.
Also it costs way too much to do a simple kitchen remodeling project. If we turn out a lot more carpenters and mechanics, plumbers, and HVAC people they will have to accept less in wages and I can spend my money on vacations, cars, and a new tv more often instead of over-paying some plumber.
This post was edited on 8/13/21 at 9:03 pm
Posted on 8/13/21 at 9:02 pm to Nephropidae
I never finished. Got damn close and got a good job. Tried to finish 4-5 years later and it didn't work out...which was totally 100% my fault.
I've done fairly decent for myself. I'm not OT rich but I have plenty and we never want for anything.
That said, I know people that went that do WAY better than I do and I know people that went and do WAY worse.
It really just depends on the person. My brother and I couldn't be more opposite. I breezed through high school without second though. He worked his arse off and still didn't get the grades/ACT I did. College was an absolute chore for him but he made the effort. I thought I could coast. He graduated, I didn't. He does extremely well for himself now but his job and lifestyle wouldn't work for me. He has nowhere near the autonomy I do in work/life balance and for me personally you can't put a price on that.
I've done fairly decent for myself. I'm not OT rich but I have plenty and we never want for anything.
That said, I know people that went that do WAY better than I do and I know people that went and do WAY worse.
It really just depends on the person. My brother and I couldn't be more opposite. I breezed through high school without second though. He worked his arse off and still didn't get the grades/ACT I did. College was an absolute chore for him but he made the effort. I thought I could coast. He graduated, I didn't. He does extremely well for himself now but his job and lifestyle wouldn't work for me. He has nowhere near the autonomy I do in work/life balance and for me personally you can't put a price on that.
Posted on 8/13/21 at 9:06 pm to Privateer 2007
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Unless engineering, science, finance or pre professional it's not worth it.
Yes there are so many jobs for people with bachelors in chemistry, physics, and biology. You'd be shocked at how many jobs there are for those who have a BS in physics.
Posted on 8/13/21 at 9:06 pm to PeteRose
quote:How do you become a doctor, lawyer, engineer, dentist, pharmacist without one?
Undergrad degree costs more and more over time while it’s value is less and less. But people still buying into it.
Posted on 8/13/21 at 9:08 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
I look at it this way.
Each kid will be different.
Some kids may find that vo-tech the way to go.
Some kids college is the way to go.
I screwed around even though I had a degree. I finally started a business when I wanted more out of life for my family. Lucky to find something I loved doing which I grew my skills in the industry and loved doing.
I had an uncle that liked women, Boose, and went through a lot of nice also hot looking women. He was stubborn and did not like taking orders from people. He was great at taking his idea, making it into a business, making a business profitable, and selling the business at the right time for a nice profit.
At the end of the day when he died he had assets valued over $15 million.
People called him a bum as his personal life was a mess. He never went to college he was just good at working for himself.
This is an extremely rare skill that worked out well financially for him. Unfortunately, his skills worked against him in his personal life from relationships to even getting along with his family.
Each kid will be different.
Some kids may find that vo-tech the way to go.
Some kids college is the way to go.
I screwed around even though I had a degree. I finally started a business when I wanted more out of life for my family. Lucky to find something I loved doing which I grew my skills in the industry and loved doing.
I had an uncle that liked women, Boose, and went through a lot of nice also hot looking women. He was stubborn and did not like taking orders from people. He was great at taking his idea, making it into a business, making a business profitable, and selling the business at the right time for a nice profit.
At the end of the day when he died he had assets valued over $15 million.
People called him a bum as his personal life was a mess. He never went to college he was just good at working for himself.
This is an extremely rare skill that worked out well financially for him. Unfortunately, his skills worked against him in his personal life from relationships to even getting along with his family.
This post was edited on 8/13/21 at 9:15 pm
Posted on 8/13/21 at 9:11 pm to Nephropidae
Welding school or be a machinist
Posted on 8/13/21 at 9:14 pm to DeltaTigerDelta
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Welding school or be a machinist
Is this correct?
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The average salary for a welder is $18.24 per hour in the United States.
https://www.indeed.com/career/welder/salaries
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