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re: Mosaic plant in St. James might have a problem...
Posted on 1/31/19 at 10:47 pm to Icansee4miles
Posted on 1/31/19 at 10:47 pm to Icansee4miles
Whoever had the idea of rebuilding the marshes might be on to something.
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Posted on 1/31/19 at 10:52 pm to Capt ST
The acidity isn't the only issue. That gypsum is also slightly radioactive.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 11:02 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
quote:I’ve been to the Bone Valley in Florida plenty of times and I’ve never encountered phosphate deposits there.
Central Florida has a large quantity of phosphate deposits, particularly in the Bone Valley region.
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Florida gonna Florida, who the frick else would name a geographical feature the “Bone Valley”?
Posted on 1/31/19 at 11:28 pm to soccerfüt
These chemical facilities have incidents all the time that go under the radar. I’m glad this one is public.
Back when the big flood hit, Honeywell next to PCS (now Nutrien) and Nova (formerly Williams) had a fuming sulfuric acid (oleum) tank rupture and it poured into the water that was running over 3115. Anyone who takes that road for work probably recalls all of the dead vegetation along 3115 between 74 and 30. This never went mainstream but I was told the pH in that water was at a 2. They sent people out in boats to pour caustic in to try and level out the water. Idk who needed to get paid to keep that under wraps. Next time you take 3115 take a look at the fence or any poles next to Nova back where their ponds and spheres are and you can see the rust line on everything.
Back when the big flood hit, Honeywell next to PCS (now Nutrien) and Nova (formerly Williams) had a fuming sulfuric acid (oleum) tank rupture and it poured into the water that was running over 3115. Anyone who takes that road for work probably recalls all of the dead vegetation along 3115 between 74 and 30. This never went mainstream but I was told the pH in that water was at a 2. They sent people out in boats to pour caustic in to try and level out the water. Idk who needed to get paid to keep that under wraps. Next time you take 3115 take a look at the fence or any poles next to Nova back where their ponds and spheres are and you can see the rust line on everything.
Posted on 2/1/19 at 2:35 am to dualed
So, you are saying they spilled acid, then sent people out to purposely spill caustic, then none of that was reported to DEQ?
here's a link to the story they 'kept under wraps'
here's a link to the story they 'kept under wraps'
This post was edited on 2/1/19 at 2:41 am
Posted on 2/1/19 at 4:30 am to fightin tigers
The massive flooding kept it on page 2.
Posted on 2/1/19 at 5:04 am to Capt ST
Sorry bastards flooded half the state to keep their story under the radar.
Posted on 2/1/19 at 5:06 am to fightin tigers
That link is broken fightin. I’d be interested to see what it says though because I couldn’t find anything about it on the news when it happened.
Posted on 2/1/19 at 5:14 am to dualed
Any better? Links to advocate
LINK
Sorry for formatting errors; there was a picture too
LINK
Sorry for formatting errors; there was a picture too
quote:
Update, 10:17 a.m.; Aug. 14
Statement from Honeywell spokesman: “The sulfuric acid leak at the Honeywell Geismar plant was stopped at approximately 11 p.m. Saturday evening and the shelter in place for employees of the site and neighboring sites was lifted soon after. Louisiana DEQ officials were on-site during the incident and the plant is cooperating with the DEQ and local authorities. The plant is conducting a thorough investigation of incident.”
Update, 12:01 a.m.; Aug. 14
The shelter in place and roadblocks for the Honeywell plant have been lifted, according to the Ascension Parish Sheriff's Office.
Original story
A chemical leak was reported Saturday evening at the Honeywell plant in Geismar, an official said.
The sulfuric acid leak is the second one to happen Saturday, said Kevin Ambeau, police chief in nearby St. Gabriel. One happened in the morning and another later in the day.
Capt. Cody Melancon, commander of the Ascension sheriff's hazardous materials team, said the leak let out a white fog of sulfuric acid that blew northwest toward La. 3115, La. 30 and Iberville Parish. The Honeywell plant is located at the corner of River Road and La. 3115.
The area immediately around the plant is sparsely populated and Melancon said he did not know if the cloud reached any populated areas, including St. Gabriel in Iberville Parish.
He said the sulfuric acid began leaving the Honeywell plant about 5:30 p.m. but emergency responders were able to spray water on it to suppress it.
"We've knocked the cloud down so there is no off-site impact right now. There is no sulfuric acid leaving the facility, and that's been confirmed by air monitoring," Melancon said.
He said authorities have not yet been able to get into the area of the leak to assess the best way to halt it.
He said options include trying to get inside and shut off the leak or, if responders cannot safely get near the leak, continue spraying water on it until the supply of sulfuric acid stops leaking on its own.
Melancon said the storage vessel that holds the acid was about three-quarters full when it started leaking.
Melancon couldn't immediately say how soon the situation would be resolved.
"We like our situation right now," Melancon said, "because it's not leaving the facility and no one is at risk."
He added, however, that workers in three nearby plants, Williams Olefins, Total and PCS Nitrogen, have been directed to shelter in place for the time being.
PCS Nitrogen and Williams are partially in Ascension and partially in Iberville. Total is completely in Iberville.
Ambeau said people who live in the St. Gabriel area should stay indoors, keep their windows closed and turn off their air conditioners, Ambeau said.
"Our eyes are burning out here," he said.
Residents shouldn't try to leave because main roads are blocked due to high water, he said. La. 30 is blocked at intersections with La. 74 and at La. 3115, and La. 75 is blocked at La. 3115.
Ascension Parish Sheriff Jeff Wiley said Saturday his deputies are manning road blocks at La. 30 and 3115. He said it was not clear how serious the situation was as of Saturday evening.
This post was edited on 2/1/19 at 5:19 am
Posted on 2/1/19 at 5:25 am to fightin tigers
I’ll have to go back and see if I still have the pics of the guys working north side of 30 along 3115 dumping bags of caustic. PH was 3 or 4 at Ohmstedes shop. They must lease property from Honeywell.
Posted on 2/1/19 at 5:29 am to Capt ST
Honeywell, former Allied Signal, buffer zone is huge. It used to stretch into Dutchtown, not sure what still exists under the company.
Very well could lease.
The article does say that product left the facility, they just word it as nothing is leaving any longer.
Very well could lease.
The article does say that product left the facility, they just word it as nothing is leaving any longer.
This post was edited on 2/1/19 at 5:31 am
Posted on 2/1/19 at 5:33 am to fightin tigers
Thanks! 
Yeah I never saw anything about the story until now.
That's bullshite though
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I won't say a figure because I can't remember it specifically but we're talking hundreds of tons of product that was able to enter the water there. Like I said, go check the water line next time you pass. I checked again just now while coming in and forgot you can even see the line on the rocks surrounding the ponds near 3115.
And how it happened was even more moronic. From what I was told the area surrounding the tank was filling with water due to rain and there was a leak in the tank that made weak acid and it began eating through the material. They tried pumping the water out from the diked area but their pumps shite out because of how acidic the water was becoming. So then it was someone's bright idea to dig out the dike to let the water out and after they did that the tank ruptured and they had no way to stop it from leaving the diked area.
Yeah I never saw anything about the story until now. quote:
We've knocked the cloud down so there is no off-site impact right now
That's bullshite though
. I won't say a figure because I can't remember it specifically but we're talking hundreds of tons of product that was able to enter the water there. Like I said, go check the water line next time you pass. I checked again just now while coming in and forgot you can even see the line on the rocks surrounding the ponds near 3115.
And how it happened was even more moronic. From what I was told the area surrounding the tank was filling with water due to rain and there was a leak in the tank that made weak acid and it began eating through the material. They tried pumping the water out from the diked area but their pumps shite out because of how acidic the water was becoming. So then it was someone's bright idea to dig out the dike to let the water out and after they did that the tank ruptured and they had no way to stop it from leaving the diked area.
Posted on 2/1/19 at 5:48 am to dualed
Don't worry, seven local residents started a class action lawsuit due to the "fear, fright, and inconvenience"
There was a tigerdroppings thread on it too
There was a tigerdroppings thread on it too
This post was edited on 2/1/19 at 5:51 am
Posted on 2/1/19 at 5:55 am to Capt ST
quote:
I’ll have to go back and see if I still have the pics of the guys working north side of 30 along 3115 dumping bags of caustic. PH was 3 or 4 at Ohmstedes shop. They must lease property from Honeywell.
Caustic doesn't come.in bags....it was probably soda ash.
Posted on 2/1/19 at 6:03 am to dualed
They even sent out emergency alerts to those in the area, but nobody really listened thinking it was just another flood warning. It was all over the news just not really the focal point with the massive flooding.
I do agree that the plants are very good about keeping things under wraps. For example, this gyp stack didn't just start shifting a couple weeks ago, but that is around the time they decided to call it in.
I do agree that the plants are very good about keeping things under wraps. For example, this gyp stack didn't just start shifting a couple weeks ago, but that is around the time they decided to call it in.
This post was edited on 2/1/19 at 6:28 am
Posted on 2/1/19 at 6:13 am to LSUPhreaK
Ssssh. Don’t try and confuse these folks with facts. They just want to talk about some huge coverup when it appears it was reported properly and responded to.
Posted on 2/1/19 at 8:03 am to LSUPhreaK
Thank you from saving me the need to post this.
Posted on 2/1/19 at 8:21 am to LSUFanHouston
Holy run-on sentence Batman
Posted on 2/1/19 at 8:29 am to Cosmo
quote:
Only industry this state has are shite plants
And our politicians are openly hostile to them
who has been hostile to them outside of the EBR fiasco? seems like they have the state pretty well lubed up besides that.
Posted on 2/1/19 at 8:33 am to LSUFanHouston
So what’s the bottom line worst case scenario if this thing actually does fail?
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