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re: Philando Castile shooting dashcam video released - NSFW
Posted on 6/21/17 at 5:06 pm to TexasTiger08
Posted on 6/21/17 at 5:06 pm to TexasTiger08
Why do they not include official oppression as a charge with all of these?
Official Oppression is a felony (I think) and would effectively take away a cops ability to be a cop (I think). This guy and SO many others never need to be a cop again. I feel public pressure makes DAs go with Murder and other charges that are impossible to prove. Hearing the cops reaction (to me) proves he was no evil bastard. He is a scared shitless guy who has no business ever being in that position again.
Some of the public will never be satisfied. Murder or bust mentality, but an oppression charge may satisfy many. Takes away the peace officer license.
Official Oppression is a felony (I think) and would effectively take away a cops ability to be a cop (I think). This guy and SO many others never need to be a cop again. I feel public pressure makes DAs go with Murder and other charges that are impossible to prove. Hearing the cops reaction (to me) proves he was no evil bastard. He is a scared shitless guy who has no business ever being in that position again.
Some of the public will never be satisfied. Murder or bust mentality, but an oppression charge may satisfy many. Takes away the peace officer license.
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Posted on 6/21/17 at 5:09 pm to TexasTiger08
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Why are black 'victims' trained so well to record shite? It's amazing...
- officer shoots boyfriend and kills him
- woman cries for a few seconds
- woman decides to record shite
When exactly did she decide to "record shite?" In her place, I would have been recording from the very beginning of the stop. Given the exchange I once had with a redneck deputy, full of threats of what he was going to do concerning shite that was plainly false, I'd consider doing so even from my position of "white privilege."
Posted on 6/21/17 at 5:11 pm to Spock's Eyebrow
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When exactly did she decide to "record shite?"
Are you serious?
Posted on 6/21/17 at 5:17 pm to upgrayedd
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Are you serious?
Yes, I even wrote a whole post to express the idea. Did you read past the first sentence, which is all you clipped and responded to? So there's no confusion, that's a serious question, too.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 5:29 pm to Pettifogger
I have a firearm.
Okay, don't reach for it.
Don't reach for it.
Bang bang. End of story.
Okay, don't reach for it.
Don't reach for it.
Bang bang. End of story.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 5:32 pm to SamuelClemens
I don't care about the woman and her filming it
No, she doesn't seem to care all that much about anything else going on.. the guy of child.. but that's irrelevant as to what happened here.
Some people have no business being cops but unfortunately I doubt there's much desire here.. especially now.
Some guys aren't bad guys, but shouldn't be making life and death decisions.
Not every situation is ever the same and different situations require better judgement
If this was at night I could understand his quicker reaction but broad day light, girl and child in car.. guy pulled over and immediately mentions his gun in a very calm manner
Of course anyone can go nuts at any time that you don't know but come on.. this cop could have handheld it differently and hopefully something good will come from it. He shouldn't be a cop and will have to live with this which is bad enough. Sad situation all around.
I just don't know why people want to bring race into the equations or even care about what others are saying or doing.. in conservative and pro law enforcement.. supportive.. doesn't mean they always get it right or should be in the business.
Many of y'all bringing up race just as the others are. Two wrongs don't make a right and every situation is unique. This isn't about anyone else other than the man who unfortunately lost his life and the one who has to live with it. Flat out stinks.
No, she doesn't seem to care all that much about anything else going on.. the guy of child.. but that's irrelevant as to what happened here.
Some people have no business being cops but unfortunately I doubt there's much desire here.. especially now.
Some guys aren't bad guys, but shouldn't be making life and death decisions.
Not every situation is ever the same and different situations require better judgement
If this was at night I could understand his quicker reaction but broad day light, girl and child in car.. guy pulled over and immediately mentions his gun in a very calm manner
Of course anyone can go nuts at any time that you don't know but come on.. this cop could have handheld it differently and hopefully something good will come from it. He shouldn't be a cop and will have to live with this which is bad enough. Sad situation all around.
I just don't know why people want to bring race into the equations or even care about what others are saying or doing.. in conservative and pro law enforcement.. supportive.. doesn't mean they always get it right or should be in the business.
Many of y'all bringing up race just as the others are. Two wrongs don't make a right and every situation is unique. This isn't about anyone else other than the man who unfortunately lost his life and the one who has to live with it. Flat out stinks.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 5:33 pm to SamuelClemens
I think we all agree that we WISH professional LEO should be trained for this situation. However, we are dealing with underpaid public officials, which by being so underpaid (like teaching) the job itself does not attract the best and brightest.
Yes but we have to continue to do better and I believe we are. I'm so happy body cams are becoming more used as well.
Yes but we have to continue to do better and I believe we are. I'm so happy body cams are becoming more used as well.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 5:34 pm to HippieTiger
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There is absolutely no way it can proven he reached for the gun and the shooting was justified, or the other side that he didn't and the cop acted out of fear and the shooting was not justified. What happens in that situation? Hell if I know but the cop can't go to jail as he can't be proven guilty, right?
Pretty close to this imo
Posted on 6/21/17 at 5:37 pm to Spock's Eyebrow
You're correct. I misread. My bad.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 5:38 pm to upgrayedd
[img] I think this part is fairly irrelevant. That cop had only a few seconds from the time he was told of the presence of the weapon to the time he felt he needed to react to the guy digging in his pockets. It makes sense now, but I can't expect that guy to process that infomation in fractions of a second. If someone tells me they have a weapon then keeps reaching in their waistband or pockets, I have to assume the worst.[/img]
So much depends upon the manner of how it's said and the state of the individual, as well as the situation. Dude even had his seatbelt on and you are outside the vehicle.
Maybe cops should just have full on metal bullet proof robotic like armor from head to toe during these traffic stops
(I'm not serious and just being desperate)
Maybe we can have robocops pull people over
So much depends upon the manner of how it's said and the state of the individual, as well as the situation. Dude even had his seatbelt on and you are outside the vehicle.
Maybe cops should just have full on metal bullet proof robotic like armor from head to toe during these traffic stops
(I'm not serious and just being desperate)
Maybe we can have robocops pull people over
Posted on 6/21/17 at 5:48 pm to Jester
I think I like the idea of standing back and ordering the guy out hands up if you feel threatened
Especially with another officer with you
Even if it takes a while at least there's more time here for decisions to be made
Especially broad day light in public
But that's for LEO's to come up with
Especially with another officer with you
Even if it takes a while at least there's more time here for decisions to be made
Especially broad day light in public
But that's for LEO's to come up with
Posted on 6/21/17 at 5:56 pm to beauchristopher
If and when they're "reaching" you'd be shot. He didn't have time. How about listen to the dam cop and stop reaching?
Posted on 6/21/17 at 6:04 pm to mikrit54
quote:
I have a firearm.
Okay, don't reach for it.
Don't reach for it.
Bang bang. End of story.
That implies that, more than likely, he reached for the gun. Unfortunately there's no video evidence backing up either party's claim. There's your reason this isn't going to trial. Nearly impossible to prove either party's claim.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 6:04 pm to upgrayedd
quote:
You're correct. I misread. My bad.
Appreciate the reply.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 6:42 pm to beauchristopher
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Dude even had his seatbelt on and you are outside the vehicle
That's the beauty of guns. You can be restrained and still use them effectively.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 7:30 pm to upgrayedd
Someone refresh my memory, Why was he pulled over to begin with?
This post was edited on 6/21/17 at 7:31 pm
Posted on 6/21/17 at 8:17 pm to VerlanderBEAST
Broken taillight.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 9:31 pm to jbgleason
Terrible situation. With Castille's calm demeanor, I seriously doubt he was really reaching for his weapon to shoot the officer. At the same time, whatever he was trying to reach for( Dl, ccl, etc.) Was not smart. Castille probably thought in his mind he was doing the right thing, "I'm not reaching for my gun, I'm reaching for my wallet."
At the same time, I don't believe for a second that the officer is just a murderer who set out to shoot Castille. But what it does seem that when he heard gun, he automatically panicked. And when he saw Castille move some more. He believed his life was in danger. (Even though it likely wasn't) so he shot.
At the same time, I don't believe for a second that the officer is just a murderer who set out to shoot Castille. But what it does seem that when he heard gun, he automatically panicked. And when he saw Castille move some more. He believed his life was in danger. (Even though it likely wasn't) so he shot.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 9:39 pm to QJenk
I think people should be trained on how to act when dealing with police. I'm very paranoid when I get pulled over. But I think paranoid is the best way to be.
When I get pulled over. My hands stay on the wheel, even when the officer is not at the window. If I havr to retrieve information, I will announce, "sir that information is in my wallet, or is in my glove department, is it ok if I grab it now." When I do begin to reach, I move very slowly, extremely slow. probably so slow to the point that the cop is annoyed at me. *lol*
When I get pulled over. My hands stay on the wheel, even when the officer is not at the window. If I havr to retrieve information, I will announce, "sir that information is in my wallet, or is in my glove department, is it ok if I grab it now." When I do begin to reach, I move very slowly, extremely slow. probably so slow to the point that the cop is annoyed at me. *lol*
Posted on 6/21/17 at 9:50 pm to J Murdah
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How hard is it to keep two hands on the steering wheel if you have a firearm. let the officer know where it is. if it is in the door let him open the door and disarm you.
^^^
Castille should have put his hands on the steering wheel as soon as he told the cop he had a gun. The cop should have disarmed him before asking for anything else. It's very telling how freaked out the cop became after firing. Seems like he knew he crossed a line and immediately regretted it.
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