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re: Pre-Dawn Raid Results in Mobile Police Shooting Armed 16 year old
Posted on 11/14/23 at 7:58 am to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 11/14/23 at 7:58 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 11/14/23 at 7:59 am to Townedrunkard
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They don’t use intelligence for common drug dealers pushing deadly drugs.
I’m hoping this is sarcasm
Posted on 11/14/23 at 8:01 am to Townedrunkard
quote:what good is it kicking in a door and having a 16yo killed ?
What good is catching a guy in public with a dime bag of weed on him in wal mart
You want public angst in that community towards police? That's a damn good way to breed it
Posted on 11/14/23 at 8:02 am to Townedrunkard
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It also prevents any potential shootout with innocents getting killed.
Wrong address
Illegal raid
Posted on 11/14/23 at 8:03 am to EarlyCuyler3
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No, you can't see the issue. The issue isn't that they got the right house this time. The issue is that they don't routinely/
Ok, we are obviously talking about different issues. I wasnt referring to anything about getting the wrong house. The other poster posted a link to burglars pretending to be cops. Using that as a way to justify the kid pointing a gun at the cops is fricking idiotic.
This post was edited on 11/14/23 at 8:06 am
Posted on 11/14/23 at 8:04 am to SoFla Tideroller
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Do you really think they were doing a raid for simple marijuana possession???
Well its either they did a raid for weed which is just ridiculous.
Or they did a raid for more and came up with literally nothing, and not even the guy they were looking for.
So either way its pretty pathetic.
Posted on 11/14/23 at 8:07 am to FAP SAM
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Thus more likely to jump up and grab their gun because they have no idea who is busting through their door
Complete BS. If you moving loads of dope, that person knows only two kinds of people are coming into their house, cops to arrest them or someone trying to rob them of drugs or money.
A normal citizen that knows he isn’t breaking the law, isn’t worried about cops coming at 4 am to bust his door down. They know it’s an intruder.
Posted on 11/14/23 at 8:07 am to brass2mouth
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You may want to look up the definition of reasonable suspicion, probable cause, and beyond a reasonable doubt and how each one plays into the legal system. Your post hints that you have no idea and I would hate for you to keep making a fool of yourself in public.
Please educate me...
I would like to know what is a good evidence threshold before they can kick down your door at 3am with your children in the house, when all it takes is a toilet flush for there to be no case.
Posted on 11/14/23 at 8:08 am to im4LSU
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Ok, we are obviously talking about different issues. I wasnt referring to anything about getting the wrong house. The other poster posted a link to burglars pretending to be cops. Using that as a way to justify the kid pointing a gun at the cops is fricking idiotic.
Are you saying you have no right to self defense until you can 100% confirm the people kicking down your door are not police?
Posted on 11/14/23 at 8:09 am to Boss13
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From your link, the only charge that has come of this is "Possession of Marijuana in the First Degree."
Are the risks of these raids really worth what they get out of them?
I think its nonsense that they do these SWAT raids for anything less than murderers or hostage situations. The police have so many resources that they can arrest these guys when they go to Walmart and search their homes then.
Hell man if it weren't for the adrenaline rush of kicking in doors and serving no knock warrants and damn the danger they would only be able to hire people with some common sense and decency. We can't have that. We like the idea of the state having this kind of authority over us....the more conservative a person is the more they love the idea of the state having this kind of power and authority with little or no accountability.
If you doubt the validity of this ponder the number of "fricked around and found out" posts that always follow a message like this one. Why people are OK with the state acting this way is beyond me but I know some folks love the idea of the state executing people without due process...the more, the merrier.
Posted on 11/14/23 at 8:10 am to SuperSaint
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what good is it kicking in a door and having a 16yo killed ?
Didn’t know 16 year olds pointing guns can’t kill people. Sure didn’t know that.
This post was edited on 11/14/23 at 8:11 am
Posted on 11/14/23 at 8:12 am to Boss13
You linked stories to incompetent cops. Doesn’t disprove anything I said.,
Posted on 11/14/23 at 8:12 am to Boss13
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Are the risks of these raids really worth what they get out of them?
Agreed.
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The police have so many resources
They do???
Posted on 11/14/23 at 8:12 am to im4LSU
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Using that as a way to justify the kid pointing a gun at the cops is fricking idiotic
walk me through how you think a raid works?
The cops yell, "Police" once then kick your door in. your bed room likely isn't located by the front door they just kicked in, so you didn't hear them "announce" it clearly. Also you're only 16 so your uncle hasn't let you in on his possible illegal activities so you have no reason to suspect a visit at that time. You grab a gun to investigate. then you're blinded by a photonic barrier. and now you're dead.
This post was edited on 11/14/23 at 8:26 am
Posted on 11/14/23 at 8:13 am to Townedrunkard
quote:like when Mar a Lago was raided in the morning?
A normal citizen that knows he isn’t breaking the law, isn’t worried about cops coming at 4 am to bust his door down. They know it’s an intruder.
This post was edited on 11/14/23 at 8:15 am
Posted on 11/14/23 at 8:13 am to tharre4
Back the blue crowd coming in strong now.
Posted on 11/14/23 at 8:16 am to Townedrunkard
quote:why the redundancy?
incompetent cops.
Posted on 11/14/23 at 8:19 am to Ribbed
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Pre-Dawn raids for officer safety. Guy had a gun. He was asking for it.
So to make certain we all understand this thinking...
"Guy had a gun. He was asking for it"
So having a gun in your possession while someone is kicking in your front door is a capital offense and one where the person kicking in the door is the judge, jury and executioner? What about the times they are kicking in the wrong door and doing so without announcing who they are?
The only reason this is acceptable behavior on the part of the police is because it happens in low income neighborhoods. If they did it when they served warrants in affluent neighborhoods, and they do serve warrants in affluent neighborhoods from time to time, the people in those neighborhoods would be so bent out of shape eerybody would lose their jobs. But it is not only acceptable it is actually enjoyable when it is a low income neighborhood.
Even if you LOVE the idea of the police kicking in doors and blasting away, for whatever sick assed reason, you should do some research into how dangerous it is for cops to do this. Take this stupid shite out of the equation and being a cop is one of the safest jobs in the United States. Any other industry that knew that its employees were being injured and killed at a rate comparable to that cops suffer during these kinds of raids would either correct the process or be fined out of business...but we applaud cops doing it for some twisted reason. If you truly back the blue you would take their fricking bosses to task for placing them in harms way in this manner...but you don't really back the blue any more than you would a watchdog....you just want them doing shite that you would not do on a dare to satisfy your sense of revenge.
Posted on 11/14/23 at 8:19 am to Townedrunkard
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You linked stories to incompetent cops. Doesn’t disprove anything I said.,
So if the cops are incompetent its okay to fight back? How was the 16 year old suppose to know if the intruders were good cops or bad? Or if they were cops at all?
If you don't know who is breaking into your house, are you not allowed to defend yourself?
Posted on 11/14/23 at 8:22 am to EarlyCuyler3
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I imagine a lot of the people that support this were actively cheering on the ATF/FBI at Waco.
I suspect this was written in sarcasm but on the off chance it was not I would posit that every one who supports this kind of shite in this situation were madder than a wet hen over Ruby Ridge and Waco. They are very similar in nature the difference is where they took place and the majority of the people involved...but they won't admit it. Anyone who is OK or supportive of the police kicking in doors and executing people for possession of a firearm is about as unamerican as a person can be.
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