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re: River Pilots in Louisiana for dummies
Posted on 7/31/20 at 6:55 pm to SwampAssassin
Posted on 7/31/20 at 6:55 pm to SwampAssassin
Also people are quick to disregard the $$ volume of cargo they are responsible for getting up river to the port of no and further north That creates a ton of jobs, tax revenue etc. Pilots are essentially the last leg and possibly most difficult leg of a multi billion industry. People need to get over their salary, but that’s what happens these days. Jealous people get upset and reporters stir people up on social media
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Posted on 7/31/20 at 6:57 pm to ibldprplgld
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This is 100% false. I know two pilots personally and neither one attended any of those schools. The rest of what you say is pretty accurate, except that I've asked both the pilots I know if an "outsider" can become a pilot and they both said it wouldn't happen bc the guild will protect the spots for their own kids. No one is arguing it's not an important job, it is, but there isn't a single damn reason it needs to be such an exclusive club that has complete say over who's allowed in and who isn't. They'd be SOL if the State were to decide it's tired of being fleeced by these guys for more money every year, so it changes the model and these guys are out. The problem isn't the profession; the problem is the crooked way it's setup and the exorbitant dime they demand.
I could be wrong with my dates but I believe it came into effect about 10-15 years ago that prospective pilots had to have a college degree, and within the past 5 years it changed to where that degree had to be from an academy
Also I know a couple pilots who are not related or kids of politicians. It is rare especially with the older ones but recently it has gotten better.
I am all for people who are qualified should be given a shot and that that the system should probably change. The main reason I created this thread was because of the previous pilot thread had a lot of in accuracies
Posted on 7/31/20 at 6:57 pm to tgrbaitn08
Minimal restrictions, if any, depending on what you are referring to.
Posted on 7/31/20 at 7:02 pm to SwampAssassin
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could be wrong with my dates but I believe it came into effect about 10-15 years ago that prospective pilots had to have a college degree, and within the past 5 years it changed to where that degree had to be from an academy
The time component could be true. I'll ask the next time I see my friends.
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Also I know a couple pilots who are not related or kids of politicians. It is rare especially with the older ones but recently it has gotten better.
I am all for people who are qualified should be given a shot and that that the system should probably change. The main reason I created this thread was because of the previous pilot thread had a lot of in accuracies
If it's a State contract job, it needs to be open to everyone. I can't think of another State contract job that is setup this way.
I don't blame the pilots for wanting it to stay this way, but it's time for the State to lay down different terms and break up the boys club permanently.
Let the best candidates have the spots, not just the ones born into the right family.
Posted on 7/31/20 at 7:05 pm to SwampAssassin
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I could be wrong with my dates but I believe it came into effect about 10-15 years ago that prospective pilots had to have a college degree, and within the past 5 years it changed to where that degree had to be from an academy
This is my understanding as well. I know about 20+ pilots between the bar and crescent pilots.
Posted on 7/31/20 at 7:07 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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After you get voted in you do not start making the big bucks. In order to do that, you have to buy into the association. Think of this as doctors or lawyers buying into a practice. It’s basically the same situation.
No, it’s not at all like that.
From the pilots I know it is definitely like this.
Posted on 7/31/20 at 7:09 pm to JasonL79
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From the pilots I know it is definitely like this.
Are you saying they’re essentially financing the retirement of those who are outgoing, like a privately owner practice?
Posted on 7/31/20 at 7:09 pm to SwampAssassin
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just trying to teach ya something today bud
I already know how nepotism works but I appreciate it.
Bud.
This post was edited on 7/31/20 at 7:10 pm
Posted on 7/31/20 at 7:16 pm to SwampAssassin
Very informative post. Thanks.
Posted on 7/31/20 at 7:32 pm to Upperdecker
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Imagine defending an industry with a 4 year degree requirement and a year of on the job training and then justifying their pay, when they make more than most doctors and surgeons do, and they make more take home pay than a lot of doctors and surgeons make pre-tax
Being River Pilot requires a U.S. Coast Guard National Masters license of Unlimited Tonage. The sea time requirement to obtain the license can take 3-4 years of very specific experience on the water. Then on top of that the River pilot apprenticeship program can be 3-8 years. It can be as little as one year if the applicate has 5-7 years maritime experience.
Posted on 7/31/20 at 7:33 pm to SwampAssassin
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Most of them also have drivers through a company to take them too and from ships and terminals.
Many of the boardings the pilots make are in transit. These are boardings on the move at whatever time of day/night it happens to be. A ship my company berthed a couple wks ago picked up its first pilot at the SW Pass entrance to the Miss River. It changed pilots at MM74 or so at 0400. I assumed this was due to pilots being experts on certain parts of the river.
Not a job for the faint of heart...
Posted on 7/31/20 at 7:49 pm to superwolf
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Yes, they get paid about 650,000 as I said before but they are considered independent contractors and thus have to pay about half of that back in taxes.
quote:I'm a CPA and I can tell you that statement is 100% bullshite
I'm not a CPA but I'm 100% sure that even if you are an independent contractor/1099 you will take home much more than 50% of your gross.
. That, or said individuals need to hire a CPA because they are doing a piss poor job of tax planning. 
Posted on 7/31/20 at 7:51 pm to SwampAssassin
You BAR or River pilot?
You SHOULD be a lobbyist for the pilots
You SHOULD be a lobbyist for the pilots
Posted on 7/31/20 at 7:55 pm to GetmorewithLes
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This post was edited on 7/31/20 at 7:57 pm
Posted on 7/31/20 at 7:56 pm to SwampAssassin
quote:Redundant
River Pilots in Louisiana for dummies
Posted on 7/31/20 at 8:02 pm to AbitaFan08
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What’s the river pilot equivalent of “Karen”?
Kayleigh
Posted on 7/31/20 at 8:02 pm to DiamondDog
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From the pilots I know it is definitely like this.
Are you saying they’re essentially financing the retirement of those who are outgoing, like a privately owner practice?
I’m not an expert on it by any means but I would assume so. They have to buy stock into the company and they usually pay it off the first few years of becoming a pilot.
Most of the younger pilots now days don’t get to make pilot until they around 30ish. Have to get a college degree, work on the river/tugs, or go to sea for a few years. Then they apprentice for several years (Up to 5+) making around $1,200-$1,500 a month. Takes a while before you actually start making money.
Posted on 7/31/20 at 8:03 pm to SwampAssassin
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you’re an idiot or pilot or both.
why do you think that?
If I have to explain it, you wouldn’t understand.
The absolute stupidity of the ‘arguments‘ is only exceeded by the sleaziness of the ‘arrangement’. It’s a racket plain and simple. If one won’t acknowledge that, they’re an idiot, or part of it, or both. ??
Got it junior?
Posted on 7/31/20 at 8:05 pm to SwampAssassin
You're right, they have gotten better, now members of their wives families can be considered.
Posted on 7/31/20 at 8:06 pm to SwampAssassin
You must be a river pilot ! They are GROSSlLY overpaid for what they do. The profession is a Closed shop operation that only lets family members and close relatives into the operation. They are politically connected with massive donations to elected and appointed officials. It is absolutely a crime what this profession gets away with ! It needs to be opened up to competition for qualified candidates and the salaries will come down appropriately. Do you honestly think they should be paid more than an airline pilot ? Man are we in trouble in this country !
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