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re: Sad. Infants in Kentucky dying from whooping cough.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 5:04 pm to Indefatigable
Posted on 11/25/25 at 5:04 pm to Indefatigable
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You aren’t this stupid. Quit pretending to be.
You can't answer my question... that doesn't make me stupid, it makes you simply unable or unwilling to clarify your position or answer a question.
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Posted on 11/25/25 at 5:05 pm to SallysHuman
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It's about the realization that they will happily lie, obfuscate, mislead and partially inform for "the greater good".
How is that applicable to the pertussis vaccine?
Posted on 11/25/25 at 5:05 pm to SallysHuman
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You can't answer my question... that doesn't make me stupid, it makes you simply unable or unwilling to clarify your position or answer a question.
“I’m just asking questions”
And in case you are actually this stupid, the DTaP doesn’t make anyone “immune” from any of the three diseases. It massively increases the chance of asymptomatic infection, decreases the chance and duration of more severe symptoms, and reduces the chance of spreading it. Hence having everyone involved with the child vaccinated for them.
But again, you already knew and understand that.
This post was edited on 11/25/25 at 5:09 pm
Posted on 11/25/25 at 5:06 pm to Indefatigable
quote:You asked who doesn't get tdap. Said demographic is going to be the single largest marker
Could be wrong but I don’t imagine all these people in Kentucky with pertussis are illegals.
This post was edited on 11/25/25 at 5:07 pm
Posted on 11/25/25 at 5:06 pm to Indefatigable
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Name one that does.
I know, pre-covid, there were certain immunizations you didn't get if you'd had the disease prior.
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Or just admit that every post in this thread that you’ve made is just to reinforce your own superiority complex over not sending your kids to daycare.
This is at least the second time you've made this assertion- I sense some unresolved feelings on your end.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 5:08 pm to Indefatigable
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How is that applicable to the pertussis vaccine?
It's unfortunately applicable to every aspect of the Public Health machine.
I wish it weren't, but it is.
When you see what they are willing to lie, obfuscate, mislead and partially inform on and ADMIT it... trust is broken.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 5:09 pm to SallysHuman
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You already stated it wasn't a sterilizing immunity offered by these shots.. which statement would you like to retract? The one where you said there was no such thing as childhood immunity or THIS statement presupposing that a failure of booster shots caused the deaths?
Immunity after natural infection of Pertussis wanes over time. Same with the initial vaccination (even though my understanding is the vaccination provides stronger immunity), hence the need for the booster.
That said, in terms of a pregnant woman with child, its recommended they be up on their boosters and they can actually safely receive the Tdap booster while pregnant. If they do so while pregnant, the immunity carries to the child and could help protect them through that initial 2 months.
And of course for natural immunity there is the complications of infection. Pertussis is brutal, even getting that infection outside of infancy. The natural infection risk outweighs the vaccine risk.
Have you been around or had Whooping Cough yourself?
Posted on 11/25/25 at 5:10 pm to Indefatigable
TDaP increases the chance of asymptomatic infection?
I've been told that these Typhoid Marys are the most dangerous of them all...
I've been told that these Typhoid Marys are the most dangerous of them all...
Posted on 11/25/25 at 5:11 pm to SallysHuman
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TDaP increases the chance of asymptomatic infection?
….yes? How is that even a question? That’s the entire point. No vaccine prevents a disease from entering your body
This post was edited on 11/25/25 at 5:12 pm
Posted on 11/25/25 at 5:12 pm to SallysHuman
They pretty much have a license to lie through their teeth. Even now. Even after all the damage the covid vaxxes have done. Even after Fauci laughed at us.
And despite the damage to 'Big Health' and 'Big Science' credibility, what do we still see?
Trump inviting and awarding Pfizer's Albert Bourla a $70b contract at the WH with obligatory, "YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB!
We wee the very same fear porn, lies, and propaganda nonsense, and vax injuries and deaths! You can see it hardly matters for the majority who STILL TRUST the CDC, "Health" officials and Big Bio-Magic Potion weaponry. smdh.
To force babies and kids into 50 injections is especially irresponsible, criminally negligent, and abuse. So heartbreaking.
And despite the damage to 'Big Health' and 'Big Science' credibility, what do we still see?
Trump inviting and awarding Pfizer's Albert Bourla a $70b contract at the WH with obligatory, "YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB!
We wee the very same fear porn, lies, and propaganda nonsense, and vax injuries and deaths! You can see it hardly matters for the majority who STILL TRUST the CDC, "Health" officials and Big Bio-Magic Potion weaponry. smdh.
To force babies and kids into 50 injections is especially irresponsible, criminally negligent, and abuse. So heartbreaking.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 5:14 pm to BluegrassBelle
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Have you been around or had Whooping Cough yourself?
No, I don't believe I have... maybe in childhood but I honestly don't remember.
Is it proven that vaccination in pregnancy is absolutely safe and absolutely confers immunity for exactly 2mo post partum?
I would wonder and think that the fetal immunity conferred would certainly last longer than two months, perhaps allowing for delayed immunization for the infant. Do they do this now for mother infant dyads immunized during gestation?
Posted on 11/25/25 at 5:14 pm to BluegrassBelle
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Immunity after natural infection of Pertussis wanes over time. Same with the initial vaccination (even though my understanding is the vaccination provides stronger immunity), hence the need for the booster.
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The natural infection risk outweighs the vaccine risk.
Dear Lord.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 5:15 pm to Indefatigable
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….yes? How is that even a question? That’s the entire point. No vaccine prevents a disease from entering your body
Again, as you clipped out of your quote, I thought asymptomatic infection would increase the likelihood of spread. At least that's the common knowledge for some vaccines, some diseases.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 5:22 pm to SallysHuman
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No, I don't believe I have... maybe in childhood but I honestly don't remember.
It's pretty awful. One of the teenagers when we had the recent outbreak at the school I worked at cracked ribs because of the coughing (and she was a pretty healthy, fit kid - field hockey player). I believe in babies the greatest concern is pneumonia and encephalopathy that develops from the natural infection.
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Is it proven that vaccination in pregnancy is absolutely safe and absolutely confers immunity for exactly 2mo post partum?
I would wonder and think that the fetal immunity conferred would certainly last longer than two months, perhaps allowing for delayed immunization for the infant. Do they do this now for mother infant dyads immunized during gestation?
It seems the concern is that it may not provide protection, but does at fairly high rates (sounds like 2/3rd from this study I'm posting).
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The data were collected from six states between 2011 and 2014, and a case-control evaluation among pertussis cases in infants under 2 months old were compared with healthy infants of the same age. The study included 240 cases and 535 as controls.
When Tdap was administered to the mother in the third trimester, vaccine effectiveness against pertussis in the newborns was 77.7%, and it reached 90.5% against hospitalized pertussis cases.
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While the study was a strong affirmation of ACIP's standing recommendation, the CDC said only 49% of pregnant women who delivered in 2015 and 2016 received the vaccine.
"We have decades of evidence that inactivated vaccines are very effective and safe in pregnancy," said Cieslak. "And each pregnancy a woman has needs the Tdap to offer baby protection against whooping cough."
"We haven't seen a single safety signal rising in recent years," he added.
Link to study itself provided at bottom (UM article)
Here's another study from Brazil about antibody levels post-vaccination in pregnancy:
LINK
ETA: It reads like in some it can provide some immunity for 7 months but there's not a guarantee of that, hence the recommendation for the 2 month vaccination.
This post was edited on 11/25/25 at 5:25 pm
Posted on 11/25/25 at 5:26 pm to BluegrassBelle
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BluegrassBelle
Thank you for the info, sincerely... it's something I've wondered about but haven't looked up.
I appreciate the excerpts you posted and will try to dig into the links provided, dinner might interfere but I should be back after.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 5:27 pm to SallysHuman
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Again, as you clipped out of your quote, I thought asymptomatic infection would increase the likelihood of spread. At least that's the common knowledge for some vaccines, some diseases.
If everyone is asymptomatic or doesn’t come down with it at all or have too low of a load to be contagious, and those that do—asymptomatic or otherwise—are contagious for a shorter period of time as a result, there is less risk of spreading.
It just isn’t complicated.
Take measles as an example—if 90+ percent of the population is vaccinated and at incredibly low risk of infection or transmission, the disease practically dies out in that population.
This post was edited on 11/25/25 at 5:31 pm
Posted on 11/25/25 at 5:29 pm to Indefatigable
Didn't they invent contraceptives for that? If that plan falls through, they typically have 9 months to come up with one. Government assistance and WFH jobs are available.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 5:33 pm to gmac8604
Yea, because only people whose household can get by on a single income should have kids I guess.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 5:33 pm to SallysHuman
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Thank you for the info, sincerely... it's something I've wondered about but haven't looked up.
I appreciate the excerpts you posted and will try to dig into the links provided, dinner might interfere but I should be back after.
You're welcome.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 5:35 pm to BluegrassBelle
Belle, I actually took a quick peek at the Abstract...
It seems like a small group, but pretty interesting ... anywho, I'll try to dig in after supper.
Also, from the abstract, it looks like they started this program in 2012 without even knowing if it was going to work. That kind of concerns me as if an infant under 2mo is too young to vaccinate, why is it safe to introduce to a fetus?
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A total of 240 cases and 535 controls were included; 17 (7.1%) case mothers and 90 (16.8%) control mothers received Tdap during the third trimester of pregnancy. The multivariable VE estimate for Tdap administered during the third trimester of pregnancy was 77.7% (95% confidence interval [CI], 48.3%–90.4%); VE increased to 90.5% (95% CI, 65.2%–97.4%) against hospitalized cases.
It seems like a small group, but pretty interesting ... anywho, I'll try to dig in after supper.
Also, from the abstract, it looks like they started this program in 2012 without even knowing if it was going to work. That kind of concerns me as if an infant under 2mo is too young to vaccinate, why is it safe to introduce to a fetus?
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