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re: Should I leave Ukraine?
Posted on 4/5/22 at 8:30 am to Rick9Plus
Posted on 4/5/22 at 8:30 am to Rick9Plus
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i would vote for Canada
I will call the embassy there. I read an article that says there are 1000 Ukrainians in Mexico and they have let 140 enter. Perhaps we can go through this same process in Canada. It sounds like they are being vetted and I don't know why or how they allowed some to enter but apparently some were.
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Posted on 4/5/22 at 9:38 am to N2daWild
Switzerland sounds super comfy compared to a gym in Poland
Posted on 4/5/22 at 10:00 am to Ingeniero
I just got news they will be flying to Switzerland, not by bus. I don't know what city yet or what accommodations they will have for them.
This website Ukraineshelter.com is pretty good. It allows you to contact people willing to host refugees throughout Europe. It's hard work though, I'm contacting them individually. Some offer food and transportation, some don't. There are some safety concerns of course. It's a lot to go through.
I will see what they are given in Switzerland and keep working on this website, while I bug the politicians for an answer on their visas here.
This website Ukraineshelter.com is pretty good. It allows you to contact people willing to host refugees throughout Europe. It's hard work though, I'm contacting them individually. Some offer food and transportation, some don't. There are some safety concerns of course. It's a lot to go through.
I will see what they are given in Switzerland and keep working on this website, while I bug the politicians for an answer on their visas here.
This post was edited on 4/5/22 at 10:09 am
Posted on 4/5/22 at 10:06 am to N2daWild
Do they know English? Lots of Costa Ricans speak English.
Posted on 4/5/22 at 10:10 am to Abstract Queso Dip
Yes my wife and son speak English and of course they have translators on their phones.
I think I will start in Europe and then maybe branch out from there. Costa Rica would be fun though.
I think I will start in Europe and then maybe branch out from there. Costa Rica would be fun though.
Posted on 4/5/22 at 10:15 am to N2daWild
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I think I will start in Europe and then maybe branch out from there. Costa Rica would be fun though.
it sounds most sensible to let them rest in Europe for a time and form their either CR since you seem pretty comfortable with that or Canada for the reasons others mentioned.
Posted on 4/5/22 at 10:30 am to N2daWild
If you can get them all on this side of the planet, that's what I'd do. Take the Canada or Costa Rica option. At least with Canada, you'd be able to drive up there if needed if flying all of the time becomes a burden to see them with relative ease. I can see how Costa Rica is tempting, though.
This post was edited on 4/5/22 at 10:32 am
Posted on 4/5/22 at 10:35 am to TheFonz
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At least with Canada, you'd be able to drive up there if needed if flying all of the time becomes a burden to see them with relative ease.
Canada also has the 3rd largest population of ethnic Ukrainians after Ukraine and Russia. I'm not sure how many still speak the language, but that might provide for an easier transition.
Posted on 4/5/22 at 10:38 am to N2daWild
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I just got news they will be flying to Switzerland, not by bus. I don't know what city yet or what accommodations they will have for them.
This website Ukraineshelter.com is pretty good. It allows you to contact people willing to host refugees throughout Europe. It's hard work though, I'm contacting them individually. Some offer food and transportation, some don't. There are some safety concerns of course. It's a lot to go through.
I will see what they are given in Switzerland and keep working on this website, while I bug the politicians for an answer on their visas here.
Now you are thinking rationally, as opposed to your thinking from a month ago. So glad to see it. This right here is why it was best for you to be out of the war zone, even if your family was stuck in it. There is no way you could be doing any of this from over there.
I'm so happy your family was able to get out. Thank God for little miracles.
Posted on 4/5/22 at 11:30 am to Go Cat Go
Good advice and info. From all of you. Doors will open.
Posted on 4/5/22 at 11:31 am to N2daWild
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I will see what they are given in Switzerland and keep working on this website, while I bug the politicians for an answer on their visas here.
This seems like the best thing to do. Switzerland is nice, but might get expensive. Maybe look into Canada as a 2nd option until visas are secured. Glad to hear things are moving along and they made it to safety.
Posted on 4/7/22 at 8:29 am to Buck_Rogers
UPDATE 4/7/22
I spoke to the wife this morning. They are still traveling by bus and are close to their destination but not there yet. They are staying with a family that speaks German but that is all they know. They don't know what the accommodations will be or how these people will treat them. We assume they are nice people, opening their home to strangers in need.
Lisa told me that her mother broke down in tears yesterday. This is not her usual character, she is quite strong. They are exhausted, in the same clothes for 4 days, she left her husband, the home she was born and raised in, her belongings, pets and friends. She was well known in her city and now she doesn't know what tomorrow will bring.
Lisa told me that the bombing in Lisichansk is getting heavier with a lot of destruction. I'm afraid it is going to turn into Bucha or worse Mariupol. I asked again about her father leaving. She just said he is stubborn like my wife. I imagine a big part of why he is staying is to help these poor women having babies in this. That makes him a hero in my book.
I have been busy in case Switzerland doesn't work out. I knew hardly anything about Canada but thanks to youtube in google I educated myself fairly quickly. The government is very receptive to Ukrainians, there are plenty of host families and they speak English in most of the provinces. The climate would be similar to Ukraine, education is good, closer to America. It has a lot of pluses.
I found a family in Costa Rica and a family in Spain on the beach that are willing to accept them if I want to take this opportunity to turn this into a vacation of sorts for them.
I will see how they make out in Switzerland and wait for America to announce how exactly they plan on taking refugees. If I need a longer term solution, Canada might be on top of my list right now.
I spoke to the wife this morning. They are still traveling by bus and are close to their destination but not there yet. They are staying with a family that speaks German but that is all they know. They don't know what the accommodations will be or how these people will treat them. We assume they are nice people, opening their home to strangers in need.
Lisa told me that her mother broke down in tears yesterday. This is not her usual character, she is quite strong. They are exhausted, in the same clothes for 4 days, she left her husband, the home she was born and raised in, her belongings, pets and friends. She was well known in her city and now she doesn't know what tomorrow will bring.
Lisa told me that the bombing in Lisichansk is getting heavier with a lot of destruction. I'm afraid it is going to turn into Bucha or worse Mariupol. I asked again about her father leaving. She just said he is stubborn like my wife. I imagine a big part of why he is staying is to help these poor women having babies in this. That makes him a hero in my book.
I have been busy in case Switzerland doesn't work out. I knew hardly anything about Canada but thanks to youtube in google I educated myself fairly quickly. The government is very receptive to Ukrainians, there are plenty of host families and they speak English in most of the provinces. The climate would be similar to Ukraine, education is good, closer to America. It has a lot of pluses.
I found a family in Costa Rica and a family in Spain on the beach that are willing to accept them if I want to take this opportunity to turn this into a vacation of sorts for them.
I will see how they make out in Switzerland and wait for America to announce how exactly they plan on taking refugees. If I need a longer term solution, Canada might be on top of my list right now.
Posted on 4/7/22 at 8:53 am to N2daWild
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Costa Rica
I vote for this option
Posted on 4/7/22 at 10:33 am to N2daWild
If i were the parent of an infant, i would want them as close to home and as easy to get to as possible. That’s Canada. Canada will probably be less of a culture and climate shock for the rest of them as well. I don’t know how easy it is to deal with the Costa Rican government, either.
Posted on 4/7/22 at 10:45 am to Rick9Plus
Not sure if this matters or not, but I'd feel comfortable saying that Canada will have a vaccine requirement. Not sure about Costa Rica.
Posted on 4/7/22 at 10:55 am to Aubie Spr96
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Not sure if this matters or not, but I'd feel comfortable saying that Canada will have a vaccine requirement. Not sure about Costa Rica.
Yeah, there’s that. If that’s not an issue, though (if they are vaccinated or if the vaccine requirements or lack thereof are the same), i would feel better having US states between me and my infant child rather than the entire gulf of Mexico or about 5 3rd-world countries. Plus it’s the wife, baby, teenage son, and her elderly mother i think. Costa Rica will be a lot less fun if they can’t adjust.
Posted on 4/7/22 at 12:46 pm to Rick9Plus
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Costa Rica will be a lot less fun if they can’t adjust.
I tend to agree. I don't think they will be in a great frame of mind to enjoy Costa Rica. I can revisit that down the road.
I will see how they are doing in Switzerland. The city they are staying in Brugg is beautiful. If they don't like it, I should be able to find a host in Canada and the airfare is less than $300 from Zurich.
I did get an offer today for their own private home in Portugal. Personally I would like that much more than staying in someone's home with them. It's terrible what they are going through but at least the world is sympathetic to them and they have plenty of options for help.
I am supposed to pick up $1,000 in Euros today from my bank. I ordered those when I thought they were going to Germany. Switzerland apparently uses Swiss Francs. Oh well. lol
Posted on 4/7/22 at 12:56 pm to Rick9Plus
Yep, Canada is a no-brainer imo.
Posted on 4/8/22 at 8:41 am to PhilipMarlowe
UPDATE: 4/8/22
My wife and her family seem happy with their accommodations in Switzerland. Their host is a nurse in her 60's and she has provided them each with their own bedroom. She also speaks English. She has grandchildren that stay with her occasionally so she has lot for the baby stuff, crib, highchair, etc. The city is also beautiful and Switzerland and the community is trying to help them out financially, with health care and education.
It took them 18 hours to get there by bus from Warsaw and unfortunately they all were sick. I assume they caught something in the auditorium in Warsaw. So last night the baby was vomiting and running fever. So much for finally getting some sleep.
Bottom line is they are safe and in a fairly good situation in spite of the fact they have to live in a strange country and in a strangers home. The mother is struggling of course about leaving her husband and home. She found out yesterday that a friend of hers was killed by a bomb on her house. Apparently she lived next to a music school that was being targeted.
Her friend enjoyed baking, so she sold pies, cakes and cookies for an income. My wife's mother Natalie would often buy from her and bring the baked goods to her coworkers at the hospital. I'm afraid that this war will become more and more personal for Natalie.
The school that my stepson, Ilya goes to has been destroyed. For some reason my wife, Yulia does not want to tell him. His reality is that his life in Ukraine is most likely over. Where is next phase in life will be is still uncertain but hopefully it will be here in the US.
I worry about her father a lot. He is one of only two doctors that have stayed. I think he realizes the gravity of his situation more than my wife, but he will not tell her.
I have tickets to fly to Zurich on April 21st. I'm certainly looking forward to it.
My wife and her family seem happy with their accommodations in Switzerland. Their host is a nurse in her 60's and she has provided them each with their own bedroom. She also speaks English. She has grandchildren that stay with her occasionally so she has lot for the baby stuff, crib, highchair, etc. The city is also beautiful and Switzerland and the community is trying to help them out financially, with health care and education.
It took them 18 hours to get there by bus from Warsaw and unfortunately they all were sick. I assume they caught something in the auditorium in Warsaw. So last night the baby was vomiting and running fever. So much for finally getting some sleep.
Bottom line is they are safe and in a fairly good situation in spite of the fact they have to live in a strange country and in a strangers home. The mother is struggling of course about leaving her husband and home. She found out yesterday that a friend of hers was killed by a bomb on her house. Apparently she lived next to a music school that was being targeted.
Her friend enjoyed baking, so she sold pies, cakes and cookies for an income. My wife's mother Natalie would often buy from her and bring the baked goods to her coworkers at the hospital. I'm afraid that this war will become more and more personal for Natalie.
The school that my stepson, Ilya goes to has been destroyed. For some reason my wife, Yulia does not want to tell him. His reality is that his life in Ukraine is most likely over. Where is next phase in life will be is still uncertain but hopefully it will be here in the US.
I worry about her father a lot. He is one of only two doctors that have stayed. I think he realizes the gravity of his situation more than my wife, but he will not tell her.
I have tickets to fly to Zurich on April 21st. I'm certainly looking forward to it.
Posted on 4/8/22 at 9:18 am to N2daWild
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Where is next phase in life will be is still uncertain but hopefully it will be here in the US.
Here's the reality of their situation right now. They are alive. Everything else can be dealt with.
Glad they are all safe.
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