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re: The Lord God bird is no more
Posted on 10/1/21 at 1:16 pm to Winston Cup
Posted on 10/1/21 at 1:16 pm to Winston Cup
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Flat pigtoe mussel
I think I went home from the bar with one of these in the 90’s.
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Posted on 10/1/21 at 1:25 pm to tigerinthebueche
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I wonder if scientists ever consider that maybe certain species are SUPPOSED to go extinct. What if it’s all part of nature’s plan?
Sometimes natural climatic or geological changes spell the demise of certain species, typically the result of overspecialization. Those are what you are talking about. This was a case of overhunting and habitat destruction I think.
Posted on 10/1/21 at 1:31 pm to mdomingue
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This was a case of overhunting and habitat destruction I think.
I was under the impression that it was primarily habitat loss. Regardless, I wonder if there is a hypothesis, theory, paradigm, what have you that adjusts for these things. I’m not marginalizing the loss of a species. But I do wonder at times if we keep looking at it from the wrong perspective.
Posted on 10/1/21 at 2:01 pm to tigerinthebueche
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This was a case of overhunting and habitat destruction I think.
I was under the impression that it was primarily habitat loss. Regardless, I wonder if there is a hypothesis, theory, paradigm, what have you that adjusts for these things. I’m not marginalizing the loss of a species. But I do wonder at times if we keep looking at it from the wrong perspective.
I would like to think there is but from what I've read The pace of extinctions has accelerated by several orders of magnitude, like 100 to 1000 times the rate it has been. But I am not certain how that conclusion was reached. Or if things look to be swinging back the other way as we get a better understanding of some of the mechanisms we may be impacting.
Posted on 10/1/21 at 2:49 pm to Jake88
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Why do people hate change?
That's certainly one way to pretend actions don't have consequences.
It's all just "change".
Posted on 10/1/21 at 7:23 pm to Gee Grenouille
All you guys touting no tree cutting aren’t living in wooden houses or using toilet paper I’m sure!
Actually most of the big corps are offsetting their carbon footprints by getting into the voluntary carbon markets. In these cases, timberland owners sell carbon credits, created by foregoing timber harvest for one year. It’s an annual thing. “Preserving” forests isn’t the answer. They get old and decay. Proper forest management (including harvest) is the key to a sustainable forest.
Actually most of the big corps are offsetting their carbon footprints by getting into the voluntary carbon markets. In these cases, timberland owners sell carbon credits, created by foregoing timber harvest for one year. It’s an annual thing. “Preserving” forests isn’t the answer. They get old and decay. Proper forest management (including harvest) is the key to a sustainable forest.
Posted on 10/1/21 at 7:30 pm to athenslife101
I'm sure its been said, but has Dog looked for it?
Posted on 10/1/21 at 7:30 pm to athenslife101
Even if a corp. offsets their carbon footprint with a long term carbon project, the agreement doesn’t prohibit cutting. The timber company can cut annually to a point that matches yearly growth.
Posted on 10/1/21 at 7:33 pm to Obtuse1
I read Deep Enough for Ivorybills years ago and enjoyed it.
Posted on 10/1/21 at 7:34 pm to athenslife101
Humans are the real virus
Posted on 10/1/21 at 7:36 pm to PerfectSeason
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Proper forest management (including harvest) is the key to a sustainable forest.
I remember reading how the Indians were regularly harvesting timber with their skidsteers to maintain the forests before Europeans arrived.
Posted on 10/1/21 at 7:39 pm to tigerinthebueche
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What if it’s all part of nature’s plan?
Nature’s plan was upended when humanity gained the ability to clear cut habitat and build Dollar Generals.
Posted on 10/1/21 at 7:40 pm to PerfectSeason
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Actually most of the big corps are offsetting their carbon footprints by getting into the voluntary carbon markets. In these cases, timberland owners sell carbon credits, created by foregoing timber harvest for one year. It’s an annual thing. “Preserving” forests isn’t the answer. They get old and decay. Proper forest management (including harvest) is the key to a sustainable forest.
That's kind of the point for most cavity nesting birds. Old, decayed trees are a vital part of nesting. Old(er) growth trees are a vital part of Woodpecker, particularly, nesting. Their excavation of natural cavities is crucial to many animals. They do not use the same nest more than once. Their old cavities are used by other bird species, Nuthatches, Bluebirds, etc. as well as squirrels, chipmunks, flying squirrels and others.
Clear cutting can effectively wipe out entire populations in an area because it removes their natural habitat for years. It doesn't take but missing a couple of generations of breeding to significantly impact a population.
Cavity nesting birds are not like the other animals I listed. They are not as quick to adapt. Also, thanks to some a-hole Shakespeare nerds 100+ years ago, they have competition from more aggressive and faster breeding non-native species. What limited habitat remains is under fierce competition of European Starlings and House Sparrows, two species that our native birds did not evolve to compete with. They breed faster and are more aggressive than even the large Woodpecker species.
Doing away with their natural habitat, even with a plan to replace it years down the line, exacerbates the problem. Fortunately, man can help to an extent. Without our efforts, many of our native species would already be critically endangered. The hope is that those native cavity nesters can start to, or continue to, thrive with the help of artificial nesting sites. The Purple Martin became exclusively reliant upon human-provided nesting structures many decades ago. While the hope is that other native or migratory birds won't need to become reliant upon man, it certainly isn't a foregone conclusion that our efforts will save them if their natural habitat continues to be destroyed.
Posted on 10/1/21 at 7:47 pm to weagle99
Disgusting.
Thank you logging industry.
Thank you logging industry.
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The team located a population of woodpeckers in Madison Parish in northeastern Louisiana, in a section of the old-growth forest called the Singer tract, owned by the Singer Sewing Company, where logging rights were held by the Chicago Mill and Lumber Company. The team made the only universally accepted audio and motion picture recordings of the ivory-billed woodpecker.The National Audubon Society attempted to buy the logging rights to the tract so the habitat and birds could be preserved, but the company rejected their offer. Tanner spent 1937-1939 studying the ivory-billed woodpeckers on the Singer tract and travelling across the southern United States searching for other populations as part of his thesis work. At that time, he estimated there were 22–24 birds remaining, of which 6–8 were on the Singer tract. The last universally accepted sighting of an ivory billed woodpecker in the United States was made on the Singer tract by Audubon Society artist Don Eckelberry in April 1944,[67] when logging of the tract was nearly complete.[68]
This post was edited on 10/1/21 at 7:48 pm
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