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re: The teacher who left the door open
Posted on 5/27/22 at 7:54 pm to Kattail
Posted on 5/27/22 at 7:54 pm to Kattail
quote:
This person sabotaged the security system and cost a 19 children and 2 teachers their lives. Will be haunted by it the rest of their life.
A lot of schools have started going the way of doors that you have to fob or scan a badge to get into to prevent this kind of issue. And has a sensor when a door is propped open. I’m curious as to why this school system had not utilized that?
The teacher had propped the door open, which I’ve definitely seen teachers (and other staff) do before we had our fob/badge system installed. It was my understanding from what I read from the press conference that the same teacher ran for a phone in another classroom to call 9-1-1. My guess is in their panic hearing the shots they failed to go back to close the door.
It’s an incredibly poor mistake that I feel like anyone in that situation could’ve easily made. And they’ll have to live with that guilt the rest of their lives. That’s enough punishment for me.
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Posted on 5/27/22 at 7:58 pm to BluegrassBelle
Yeah, we’ve all done this kind of stuff. This person deserves our sympathy. It could happen to any of us.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 8:01 pm to Homesick Tiger
I haven’t been able to read much on layout of those back buildings, but the other thing i want to know of how killer got into classroom.
Did he pass up other locked classrooms on way? I know he started shooting into classroom he entered (not sure if wall or door), but I haven’t read that this breached room. Plus BORTAC agents needed key to help with that door. Also have read he may have entered through a connecting classroom, but you would think that first room would have also been hard to get into with same door if on lockdown, or whats the point of 2nd classroom door being built for lockdowns while waving them into connecting room?
Those buildings in middle of campus look like the classrooms open directly to outside which makes classroom door security an even greater concern and would have needed faster response by cops.
Make it hard to get in building and then make it hard to get into classroom to give cops time.
You hope that the cops response plan is to show up much faster than school can keep a killer out of classrooms.
Cops have to also plan for breaches like this with killer already in a classroom when they enter. They can’t assume shooter will be engaged outside building or outside locked down classroom, and not plan & train just as hard for this kind of scenario.
This situation had mistakes by school and by cops. Need learn from all of them.
Did he pass up other locked classrooms on way? I know he started shooting into classroom he entered (not sure if wall or door), but I haven’t read that this breached room. Plus BORTAC agents needed key to help with that door. Also have read he may have entered through a connecting classroom, but you would think that first room would have also been hard to get into with same door if on lockdown, or whats the point of 2nd classroom door being built for lockdowns while waving them into connecting room?
Those buildings in middle of campus look like the classrooms open directly to outside which makes classroom door security an even greater concern and would have needed faster response by cops.
Make it hard to get in building and then make it hard to get into classroom to give cops time.
You hope that the cops response plan is to show up much faster than school can keep a killer out of classrooms.
Cops have to also plan for breaches like this with killer already in a classroom when they enter. They can’t assume shooter will be engaged outside building or outside locked down classroom, and not plan & train just as hard for this kind of scenario.
This situation had mistakes by school and by cops. Need learn from all of them.
This post was edited on 5/27/22 at 8:11 pm
Posted on 5/27/22 at 8:12 pm to Homesick Tiger
i think she opened it to give them way out after the shooting in the school yard, let’s be fricking real here do u think a locked door would have stopped him
Posted on 5/27/22 at 8:13 pm to TutHillTiger
quote:
do u think a locked door would have stopped him
Apparently locked doors are only good for keeping the cops out.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 8:15 pm to Kattail
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This person sabotaged the security system and cost a 19 children and 2 teachers their lives. Will be haunted by it the rest of their life.
That's a ridiculous stance. She was supposed to know that there was an armed madman outside in an area that was otherwise generally safe? They probably did that relatively frequently.
If you live in a relatively safe neighborhood and left the back door unlocked and your wife got murdered while you were at the store are you to blame?
Some of you have lost your ability to think rationally over this imo.
This post was edited on 5/27/22 at 8:17 pm
Posted on 5/27/22 at 8:16 pm to Homesick Tiger
Do you honestly think a closed fricking door would have stopped that pos who is burning in hell right now. He was going to shoot the door open.
That teacher is the absolute last person who I am mad at.
That teacher is the absolute last person who I am mad at.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 8:20 pm to QJenk
the mfer was out there shooting for almost 15 minutes with no response and you blame the teacher
please just shot yourself and we will blame your barber or something
please just shot yourself and we will blame your barber or something
Posted on 5/27/22 at 8:23 pm to BluegrassBelle
Like someone said it’s a fireable offense. We have rules and laws. If you prop a door open you will be fired. “ But nothing happened” 10million times of its a policy it’s a policy. When you tell your kid curfew is at midnight your kid comes in at 1 am what do you do punish the child or not? Policies Rules Laws.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 8:35 pm to Cracker
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Like someone said it’s a fireable offense. We have rules and laws. If you prop a door open you will be fired
You're not wrong, but it's also true that this was a one in a million event. And it's not like kids are just locked in a building all day. They do go to recess, P.E., and walk to and from carpool/the bus. Unfortunately, this sad person was determined to murder, and the opened door was just lucky for him.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 8:40 pm to Obtuse1
I've been shooting for a long time - I've shot just about every common round that exists. I can tell you,. with certainty - that there are few rounds more destructive than a 12 gauge.
I think you hit on an important point about ARs - they are pretty easy to learn to use. A shotgun is a bit more technically challenging to learn. I learned on them bc I was hunting at a young age, but I've seen people try to shoot them that are proficient on other platforms and fail miserably.
I think you hit on an important point about ARs - they are pretty easy to learn to use. A shotgun is a bit more technically challenging to learn. I learned on them bc I was hunting at a young age, but I've seen people try to shoot them that are proficient on other platforms and fail miserably.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 8:47 pm to TutHillTiger
quote:
the mfer was out there shooting for almost 15 minutes with no response and you blame the teacher
You not only ignored updated timeline as to when he entered school you expanded the time from wreck to entering school from prior timeline.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 8:58 pm to TutHillTiger
quote:
i think she opened it to give them way out after the shooting in the school yard, let’s be fricking real here do u think a locked door would have stopped him
Door was propped open to be able to get back inside. Building door could be opened from inside for emergency exit purposes but not opened from outside if closed properly. Teacher went outside for something, propped door open to get back in, and left it. Teacher might have seen or heard shooter and ran back in forgetting to fix door.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 8:59 pm to dallastigers
In all fairness, it’s damn hard to keep up with the “confirmed timeline” with how often they’ve changed it.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 9:02 pm to Lightning
Was the teacher that left the door open a democrat or republican?
Thats what matters
Thats what matters
Posted on 5/27/22 at 9:02 pm to Homesick Tiger
Reacting to the reaction.
Nice.
Meanwhile, 10 year olds were cut down by high powered bullets.
Bled out. Empty eyes.
Speaking of, if listen with your eyes, you hear we are ok with this in our American society.
We value our politics more than we value life itself.
Nice.
Meanwhile, 10 year olds were cut down by high powered bullets.
Bled out. Empty eyes.
Speaking of, if listen with your eyes, you hear we are ok with this in our American society.
We value our politics more than we value life itself.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 9:04 pm to momentoftruth87
quote:
So many ppl failed these children.
Thus the daily "cyoa" press conferences from law enforcement.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 9:05 pm to dallastigers
quote:
I haven’t been able to read much on layout of those back buildings, but the other thing i want to know of how killer got into classroom. Did he pass up other locked classrooms on way? I know he started shooting into classroom he entered (not sure if wall or door), but I haven’t read that this breached room. Plus BORTAC agents needed key to help with that door. Also have read he may have entered through a connecting classroom, but you would think that first room would have also been hard to get into with same door if on lockdown, or whats the point of 2nd classroom door being built for lockdowns while waving them into connecting room?
The separate accounts I heard from a boy and girl in the class who survived said that the teacher was going to lock the classroom door and met the shooter at the door. They said he backed the teacher into the classroom and shot her, locked the door behind him. Then there was a door that connected to an adjoining classroom, so shooter was able to freely go between the two rooms.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 9:08 pm to Homesick Tiger
An open door isn't someones fault for mass murder. What in the actual frick is wrong with you.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 9:34 pm to DolphinDaddy
quote:And you know this, how?
but these same teachers lock their car doors at Walmart parking lots.
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