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re: This is the ONLY answer to school shootings
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:06 pm to UpToPar
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:06 pm to UpToPar
Your right. People do. And their is much more control over who can buy fully automatic rifles. Takes what, sometimes a whole year to be approved to buy a fully automatic weapon?
Maybe that would be a good start with semi automatic weapons too. Maybe that would be a good first step and see if that reduces the amount of mass shootings.
Maybe that would be a good start with semi automatic weapons too. Maybe that would be a good first step and see if that reduces the amount of mass shootings.
This post was edited on 2/16/18 at 1:08 pm
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Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:07 pm to UpToPar
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Plenty of people still buy automatic weapons.
Not entirely true.
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New, fully automatic weapons—weapons that reload automatically and fire continuously with one trigger pull—have been banned for civilians in the United States since the Firearm Owners' Protection Act of 1986. Their use in crimes is incredibly rare, rarer even than the use of semi-automatic assault rifles like the AR-15 rifles used in the Sandy Hook and Aurora shootings or the Sig Sauer SIG MCX used in the Orlando shooting. Of the 91 American mass shootings catalogued by Mother Jones that have occurred since 1982, not one has seen the use of a fully automatic machine gun. It’s semi-automatic rifles—guns that reload automatically but fire only once per trigger pull—that have seen wide use in recent mass shootings and that probably constitute the majority of rifles used in homicides and other crimes. Still, rifles of all kinds constitute a small minority of criminally used guns: Only 2 percent of homicides were committed with rifles of any kind in 2014. The illegal conversion of semi-automatic weapons to fully automatic weapons by criminals is occasionally a problem for law enforcement.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:07 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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Not too much you can really do about those other than confiscate them as you're able.
Right, which means any new gun control legislation simply makes it more difficult for law abiding citizens to purchase guns while doing little to get the guns out of criminals' hands.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:07 pm to Chucktown_Badger
So everyone else is at the mercy of criminals into they are disarmed “as we are able to”
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:08 pm to Bleeding purple
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How many mass shooting have occurred at large sporting events where this exact form of gate control is practiced?
IMHO, this is a bad argument. School shootings aren't terrorism events aimed at mass population. It's usually a mentally deranged and confused kid lashing out at the school, which he probably blames for his problems and hates. So if you bottleneck everyone up its just an easier target for the fricked up youth.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:11 pm to Indfanfromcol
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Maybe that would be a good start with semi automatic weapons too.
Would never happen. Here's a short list of the guns you would be regulating:
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:11 pm to Indfanfromcol
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gun enthusiasts lack of willing to compromise will lead to much stricter laws than there need to be.
Gun enthusiasts compromise all the time. It's your ilk who will stop at nothing until the rights are gone completely.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:11 pm to RATeamWannabe
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So everyone else is at the mercy of criminals into they are disarmed “as we are able to”
Never said guns would be banned. You could still arm yourself, unless you're not likening it to the arms race where you're going to have some wild west shootout and need to be packing the most heat.
Simple fact is you need to limit the supply or access to these weapons if you want to start to address it. The other stuff with mental health also needs to happen.
Or, we can continue with the status quo and this will all continue...unfortunately I'm guessing that's how it'll play out, and then we'll have this same thread in a month or two.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:12 pm to ZappBrannigan
School shootings are caused by hatred and depression that comes from narcissism and a lack of empathy.
In an increasingly socially selfish society, things will get worse.
In an increasingly socially selfish society, things will get worse.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:14 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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Simple fact is you need to limit the supply or access to these weapons if you want to start to address it.
Again, fantasy land. Even if you were to restrict the number of guns manufactured in the US and, therefore, restrict the accessibility to those guns, the Mexican cartel would swiftly shift from drug trade to gun trade. The fact of the matter is, criminals are going to find access to guns.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:14 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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Never said guns would be banned. You could still arm yourself, unless you're not likening it to the arms race where you're going to have some wild west shootout and need to be packing the most heat.
Yea, forgive me for not wanting to be on the outgunned side of a violent criminal.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:14 pm to UpToPar
Why would that never happen? I have a shotgun that isn’t semiautomatic. I have one that is also, but I don’t think there is a problem having a more strict process or being able to legally obtain one.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:16 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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Simple fact is you need to limit the supply or access to these weapons if you want to start to address it.
All you'll do is create a lucrative and very dangerous black market controlled by unsavory people. People have learned nothing from the drug war
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:16 pm to Indfanfromcol
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Why would that never happen? I have a shotgun that isn’t semiautomatic. I have one that is also, but I don’t think there is a problem having a more strict process or being able to legally obtain one.
You're talking about regulating 90% of the guns purchased. You're talking about a SEVERE infringement on second amendment rights.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:17 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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Never said guns would be banned. You could still arm yourself
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limit the supply or access to these weapons
Reconcile those two statements for me
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:17 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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All you'll do is create a lucrative and very dangerous black market controlled by unsavory people. People have learned nothing from the drug war
Yep.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:18 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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School shootings are caused by hatred and depression that comes from narcissism and a lack of empathy.
In an increasingly socially selfish society, things will get worse.
AMEN. I tried to make this point earlier but it flew over the heads of people who only want to discuss gun control and gun violence and refuse to acknowledge or discuss the underlying causes of that violence. T
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:19 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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All you'll do is create a lucrative and very dangerous black market controlled by unsavory people. People have learned nothing from the drug war
Correct. We have no national gun registry and they can be sold privately without record. The government doesn't even know who owns what.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:20 pm to UpToPar
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You're talking about regulating 90% of the guns purchased. You're talking about a SEVERE infringement on second amendment rights.
The second amendment protects the right to bear arms. It does not guarantee you getting said gun in a certain amount of time, nor does it guarantee not having to jump through hoops to get it.
Felons aren't allowed to have guns. Are you guys ok with that? Just curious how tied to the 2nd amendment and it's protections you guys are.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:20 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Simple fact is you need to limit the supply or access to these weapons if you want to start to address it.
All you'll do is create a lucrative and very dangerous black market controlled by unsavory people. People have learned nothing from the drug war
Yup.
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RogerTheShrubber
Welcome to the thread. I have to go now. Fight the good fight.
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