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re: This is the ONLY answer to school shootings
Posted on 2/16/18 at 12:55 pm to UpToPar
Posted on 2/16/18 at 12:55 pm to UpToPar
Hmmm, well maybe if it is so easy to argue that any gun could have done the trick, then it’s possible that it could?
Yeah, if you have multiple people breaking into your home, all heavily armed and looking for your blood, then I agree that an assault rifle would be the only thing that could save you. You’d be in a shootout for your life. But that doesn’t happen in the real world. If it does, then I probably happened once in 10 years. What is happening is multiple times a year, we are getting mass shootings by semi automatic guns that were legally obtained. Not guns illegally obtained.
Yeah, if you have multiple people breaking into your home, all heavily armed and looking for your blood, then I agree that an assault rifle would be the only thing that could save you. You’d be in a shootout for your life. But that doesn’t happen in the real world. If it does, then I probably happened once in 10 years. What is happening is multiple times a year, we are getting mass shootings by semi automatic guns that were legally obtained. Not guns illegally obtained.
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Posted on 2/16/18 at 12:57 pm to TDsngumbo
Does anyone know if any shootings have happened at a private school? They generally have armed security.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 12:58 pm to RATeamWannabe
Man, I think your in for a rude awakening. I think gun control is coming in the foreseeable future, and gun enthusiasts lack of willing to compromise will lead to much stricter laws than there need to be. Either that or the militarization of our police. Something at some point has to be attempted to prevent the many mass shootings we have like this compared to the rest of the wold.
This post was edited on 2/16/18 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 2/16/18 at 12:58 pm to Indfanfromcol
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Hmmm, well maybe if it is so easy to argue that any gun could have done the trick, then it’s possible that it could?
You're ignorant arguments aren't evidence that a semi-automatic rifle wasn't the best home defense weapon in a particular situation. Just because YOU can't see their benefit doesnt mean they dont have one.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 12:58 pm to Indfanfromcol
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Hmmm, well maybe if it is so easy to argue that any gun could have done the trick, then it’s possible that it could?
Yeah, if you have multiple people breaking into your home, all heavily armed and looking for your blood, then I agree that an assault rifle would be the only thing that could save you. You’d be in a shootout for your life. But that doesn’t happen in the real world. If it does, then I probably happened once in 10 years. What is happening is multiple times a year, we are getting mass shootings by semi automatic guns that were legally obtained. Not guns illegally obtained.
Semiautomatic rifles with "high capacity" magazines have been available for civilians to purchase since at least the 40s. And if anything, there were fewer restrictions against ownership back then, not more.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 12:59 pm to UpToPar
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Right. You know how many felons currently own a gun? You know how many of those felons are identified and their guns confiscated? All of a sudden we are going to become super proficient at keeping guns out of the wrong hands? You are living in fantasy land right now.
Probably won't become too much more proficient. But one way to do it is to start to limit the number of guns overall and make it more difficult to obtain them.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 12:59 pm to Indfanfromcol
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Man, I think your in for a rude awakening. I think gun control is coming in the foreseeable future, and gun enthusiasts lack of willing to compromise will lead to much stricter laws than there need to be.
If only that pesky 2nd Amendment wasn't standing in the way.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:00 pm to Indfanfromcol
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we are getting mass shootings by semi automatic guns that were legally obtained.
Dude plenty of deer hunting rifles are semi automatic and are far more powerful than 5.56 used in an AR15. Do you want those outlawed too? Because if not all you are arguing is that you either (a) want limits on magazine capacity or (b) want to ban guns that look scary
This post was edited on 2/16/18 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:00 pm to Indfanfromcol
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militarization of our police.
This is/has already happened in response, yet the number of instances is not going down.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:01 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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The same groups that are crying for gun control are starting to demand police be removed from schools
Link?
Here are just a couple:
School Resource Officers: Safety Priority or Part of the Problem?
Why having police in schools is a problem
Police in schools: Keeping kids safe, or arresting them for no good reason?
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:01 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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Probably won't become too much more proficient. But one way to do it is to start to limit the number of guns overall and make it more difficult to obtain them.
So you're talking about a ban then. Not just limiting who can purchase a particular gun. What about the guns already in the hands of the criminals? What should we do about those?
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:02 pm to UpToPar
You know what, you’re right. That second amendment has definitely not stopped people from buying fully automatic weapons.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:02 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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The fact that it needs to be explained to you is even more telling.
Do you want to stop taking nonsense insult pot shots at me in every single post and have an actual discussion or are you more interested in making yourself feel better by throwing out little gotcha lines that I'm sure prove your superior faux intellectualism inside your own head everytime I ask you a question?
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Americans own almost half of the worlds civilian owned guns.
Despite having only 5% of the worlds population, the US is home to 31% of mass shooting incidents
What percentage of the civilian gun owning world is America? If we're comparing civilian gun owning deaths shouldn't we limit our comparison parameters?
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the US is home to 31% of mass shooting incidents.
Isn't it logical that if we have the majority of the guns and the most freedom that we'd also have the most shootings? What point do you think this makes or how does it support your argument? My first post in this thread I said that violence will always happen in this world and with great amounts of freedom comes great opportunities for absuses of those freedoms, however I do not subscribe to the ideal that the rights of the many should be forfeited for the actions of a few.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:02 pm to Indfanfromcol
Youre*
And it happened in Katrina. It happened in Los Angeles for Rodney King. It can happen in Philadelphia for a super bowl celebration. After the Alton Sterling shooting. After the ruling in Missouri. But you don’t want to acknowledge those.
And it happened in Katrina. It happened in Los Angeles for Rodney King. It can happen in Philadelphia for a super bowl celebration. After the Alton Sterling shooting. After the ruling in Missouri. But you don’t want to acknowledge those.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:03 pm to Tommy Patel
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give each state, each school district some power to do what works best for them
You know what would work better than an armed guard at every school. A trained psychiatrist and pharmaceutical prescription reform.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:04 pm to Indfanfromcol
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That second amendment has definitely not stopped people from buying fully automatic weapons.
Plenty of people still buy automatic weapons.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:04 pm to Chucktown_Badger
Militarization has happened in our police, but not like countries in Europe. Again, you couldn’t walk anywhere in France without seeing a patrol of 4 police officers carrying fully automatic rifles down the street. And maybe that is the compromise to prevent shooting and let the people keep their guns. Again, it’s at least an attempt to prevent the mass shootings. Trying something is better than turning a blind eye.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:04 pm to SPEEDY
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Here are just a couple:
School Resource Officers: Safety Priority or Part of the Problem?
Why having police in schools is a problem
Police in schools: Keeping kids safe, or arresting them for no good reason?
Sorry if I missed it, but I'm not seeing where that opinion is coming from the same people demanding gun control.
This post was edited on 2/16/18 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:05 pm to Indfanfromcol
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But at that point, it’s kind of like deciding between gun control or a mass militarization of America’s police force to patrol the streets and public buildings even more. Which could be a fix. Just got back from France and their police are walking everyone down the street carrying rifles. Freaked my wife out but could be a possible solution
Yeah. frick that solution. I don't think want to take massive governmental militarization against civilian advice from the Europeans. They don't exactly have the what track record over there.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:05 pm to UpToPar
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What about the guns already in the hands of the criminals? What should we do about those?
Not too much you can really do about those other than confiscate them as you're able.
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