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re: This is what schools face in dealing with violent kids.
Posted on 5/16/14 at 9:05 am to Azranod
Posted on 5/16/14 at 9:05 am to Azranod
Parents are the problem. I went to a graduation last night, the district clearly stated to hold all cheers to the end of the service so each childs name could be heard. Can you guess the one common denominator was with those that couldnt listen an raised hell????????????? Come on take a guess?????
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Posted on 5/16/14 at 9:07 am to Sir Drinksalot
Right, but the kid on the sugar high will come down. A teacher can make little Johnny do jumping jacks or run around at recess to burn off that extra sugar, but they can't follow students home and feed them supper and do homework. So a kid goes to school "hangry", with no homework, in the same unwashed clothes, and then bullies other kids to keep them from making fun of him/her. The know they won't get in trouble at home, b/c nobody there cares. The feds(and some state people) then think the answer is to keep them in class more AND teach them algebra in 2nd grade b/c that is why our kids are lagging behind in education. We don't push them enough. BS We don't punish their parents enough to make the kids want to care. Classrooms would naturally cover more material at a faster pace if teachers didn't have to stop teaching every 5 mins to correct the same students over and over.
Posted on 5/16/14 at 9:08 am to The Eric
Posted on 5/16/14 at 9:12 am to The Laughing Man
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Yep... any kid who is labeled "special ed" cannot be put out of school.
There's a good bit of non handicap people who's parents collect $ from govt by saying their kid is "special" and put them in special ed classes. That's got to be great for a kid's self esteem.
Posted on 5/16/14 at 9:12 am to The Laughing Man
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...any kid who is labeled "special ed" cannot be put out of school.
Any kid with an IEP can only be "out of school suspended" (OSS) for 9 days per year.
That is why ISS (in school suspension) was initiated.
Since suspensions are counting against the STATE initiated school performance score(SPS), ISS is now being used for ALL students.
This way the suspension doesn't hurt their score.
Posted on 5/16/14 at 9:15 am to tdog
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Parents are the problem
Amen
My baby is always right, even when he's wrong!!
Believe this
Posted on 5/16/14 at 9:16 am to LSUGrrrl
we have a couple of magnet programs in the parish, I see the greatest benefit of them as their ability to send kids back to their 'home' school with little fanfare if you dont meet behavior or academic requirements. If you violate the behavior code, you dont go to the magnet school. My daughter went there and I dont think there was a single behavior issue
Posted on 5/16/14 at 9:20 am to WFTiger
In my opinion there are many factors that have lead us to where we are.
1. We removed any negative connotations to young girls having kids out of wedlock.
2. We've actually incentiveized girls to have kids out of wedlock and to raise their kids in fatherless homes.
3. We've created a system where the more fatherless children a girl has, the more money she can get.
4. We have ostracized and attacked anyone who objects to any of the first three items I listed.
5. We glorify senseless violence & thuggery.
6. We give kids a sense of entitlement that the world owes them a living. It's their world and everyone else just lives in it.
7. We reinforce the notion that people have no responsibility for themselves, much less anyone else (namely their kids). Anything wrong in their life is someone else fault.
9. We've allowed all sense of civility and kindness to die. Traits like compassion are seen as weakness. Things like good manners seen as being "nerdy" and out of date. The notion of respect for authority figures, elders, or really anyone is seen as laughable.
10. We've allowed all our traditional societal standards to be destroyed. People use to be held to a standard of personal conduct and responsibility. Now the worst thing you can do is "judge" someone.
Just my 2 cents but those 10 things are what's led us to where we are.
1. We removed any negative connotations to young girls having kids out of wedlock.
2. We've actually incentiveized girls to have kids out of wedlock and to raise their kids in fatherless homes.
3. We've created a system where the more fatherless children a girl has, the more money she can get.
4. We have ostracized and attacked anyone who objects to any of the first three items I listed.
5. We glorify senseless violence & thuggery.
6. We give kids a sense of entitlement that the world owes them a living. It's their world and everyone else just lives in it.
7. We reinforce the notion that people have no responsibility for themselves, much less anyone else (namely their kids). Anything wrong in their life is someone else fault.
9. We've allowed all sense of civility and kindness to die. Traits like compassion are seen as weakness. Things like good manners seen as being "nerdy" and out of date. The notion of respect for authority figures, elders, or really anyone is seen as laughable.
10. We've allowed all our traditional societal standards to be destroyed. People use to be held to a standard of personal conduct and responsibility. Now the worst thing you can do is "judge" someone.
Just my 2 cents but those 10 things are what's led us to where we are.
This post was edited on 5/16/14 at 9:28 am
Posted on 5/16/14 at 9:50 am to lsu480
480, good vice docs. I ended up watching everyone last night...
In Nola we have some schools that are bad but not sure if any that bad. But we have technically 3 different "last chance" schools so they sorta split them up. The thing is they put kids from different nekghborhoods with beef in the same school. I gave a friend of mines kid to one of the schools this mornjng (good neighborhood upt on amilia and laurel) and he was telling me that 8 kids have been killed just in his senior class this year already. And this is probably a class of 100 I would guess. Told me that one of the kids was nicknamed 40 because he carried one everywhere but was known to have atleast 20 murders under his belt by the age of 16. He said even the grown arse men administrators was scared of this kid bc they knew he would kill them.... It's fricking jungle out there... I can't count on one hand how many times a pistol has been in my face but I was never as scared at I was when it was about a 14 yo kid bc I know these kids have no sense or regard for life and will actually kill you for stripes.
In Nola we have some schools that are bad but not sure if any that bad. But we have technically 3 different "last chance" schools so they sorta split them up. The thing is they put kids from different nekghborhoods with beef in the same school. I gave a friend of mines kid to one of the schools this mornjng (good neighborhood upt on amilia and laurel) and he was telling me that 8 kids have been killed just in his senior class this year already. And this is probably a class of 100 I would guess. Told me that one of the kids was nicknamed 40 because he carried one everywhere but was known to have atleast 20 murders under his belt by the age of 16. He said even the grown arse men administrators was scared of this kid bc they knew he would kill them.... It's fricking jungle out there... I can't count on one hand how many times a pistol has been in my face but I was never as scared at I was when it was about a 14 yo kid bc I know these kids have no sense or regard for life and will actually kill you for stripes.
This post was edited on 5/16/14 at 9:52 am
Posted on 5/16/14 at 9:51 am to Darth_Vader
Speaking of traditional societal standards... More women should be SAHMs if possible and I mean MARRIED SAHM. Don't have children until you can afford to do so.
Posted on 5/16/14 at 9:57 am to Bistineaubengal
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Speaking of traditional societal standards... More women should be SAHMs if possible and I mean MARRIED SAHM. Don't have children until you can afford to do so.
Ideally, I believe there are many advantages to having a stay at home mom. We've lived both ways with my wife working for a while before our son was in school and later quitting work to stay home after our daughter was born. I cannot speak for anyone but my family but the feedback I've got from her and the kids (especially our son) is that they love the fact she's a stay at home mom.
Posted on 5/16/14 at 9:58 am to Darth_Vader
Agree. And it's not this generation doing this, FWIW. Civil rights movement was a good thing. But it was profitable and lead to the way our country is today.
This post was edited on 5/16/14 at 10:01 am
Posted on 5/16/14 at 10:04 am to tigergym
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Any kid with an IEP can only be "out of school suspended" (OSS) for 9 days per year.
That is why ISS (in school suspension) was initiated.
Since suspensions are counting against the STATE initiated school performance score(SPS), ISS is now being used for ALL students.
This way the suspension doesn't hurt their score.
I never knew that's why all the ISS crap started. I have heard from teachers that there are groups of kids who are always ISS. They never change their behavior because a school can't change the behavior of kids.
It's a cycle of trying to make schools accountable through some sort of "scale". The school figures out ways to get around the scale, but the problem is never addressed because the problem is deeper than schooling. The schools don't improve because they can't.
I feel sorry for school administrators and teachers because the standards they have to meet even if well-intended can never address the bigger issue of parenting.
Posted on 5/16/14 at 10:06 am to undecided
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Not sure if serious? Aren't theses kids as much of a threat but with parents of who have the money and resources to cover up their disfunction until they seriously hurt someone. And I'm not talking just talking about school shootings but other types of violence and substance abuse that will manifest itself when he/she is unable to be a function adult
It's not even close to being as bad as kids from lower class families in chaotic and abusive homes. Those kids are far worse than the parents who want to be best friends with their kid.
Posted on 5/16/14 at 10:09 am to Darth_Vader
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Darth_Vader
I watched a documentary called "What Black Men think" it is eye opening to how the destruction of the family has destroyed the A.A. community.
Summary:
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Since the triumphs of the civil rights legislations of the early 1960's havoc and decimation has been wreaked on the Black family with a specific devastation on the Black man. With myths and stereotypes of the media, the failed policy of the great society and modern era black leadership abandoning tenets that held the community together during slavery, a new form of mental slavery has perpetuated an undeclared civil war in the Black Community.
LINK
Posted on 5/16/14 at 10:17 am to pointdog33
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the destruction of the family has destroyed the A.A. community.
Exactly. If you want to destroy a society, you destroy that society's foundation, namely the family.
Posted on 5/16/14 at 10:19 am to RBWilliams8
Yep. Too many people are still being told they are owed something instead of going out and working for it. The NAACP, Jesse, and Al do not want equal rights. They just want to be able to talk about it. That's how they get paid. If minorities started to realize that they can earn their way into better paying jobs and stop "working the system", then Jesse and Al would be out of work. They have to make sure that people believe they are still oppressed, and they have to preserve the fear of lawsuits in order to maintain their positions of power. And I should clarify that it is not all minorities, many work their butts off. Many in the majority and just as much a burden. BUT, I get tired of reading statements like "suspensions disproportionately affect minorities". Maybe it should read "behavior of minorities are driving up the number of suspensions". 
Posted on 5/16/14 at 10:39 am to prplhze2000
Friend of mine knew her career in education ended the day students threw desks across the room. Friend was doing her student teaching and never went back.
Posted on 5/16/14 at 10:47 am to Isabelle
Public school over here in Laffy just got the death penalty - soon to be taken over by the state. All the local talking heads, school board members etc, etc went on and on about the teachers, the testing system, the educational requirements, blah, blah, blah....
Not one of them had the guts to tell the truth. 96% of the kids in that school came from single or no parents backgrounds and being raised in an environment that a dog wouldn't live in.
Not one of them had the guts to tell the truth. 96% of the kids in that school came from single or no parents backgrounds and being raised in an environment that a dog wouldn't live in.
Posted on 5/16/14 at 11:19 am to Count Chocula
That is why some of the charter schools are starting to have school days that run until 6 PM. And by that I don't mean 4 hours of after school babysitting.
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