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re: Toddler Killed w/ Dad's Gun - Sobering Story in Atlanta
Posted on 2/20/26 at 8:54 am to Pettifogger
Posted on 2/20/26 at 8:54 am to Pettifogger
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where dad was carrying off body. Dad puts his fannie pack on dad's bed.
If you're carrying off body you should never let whatever bag you're carrying in be out of your control. Big mistake on the dad's part. Sad to hear about it.
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Posted on 2/20/26 at 8:56 am to ThuperThumpin
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This is the reason I mostly stopped carrying while I had young children
People just need to use basic reasoning. What is more likely? Being in a situation where a gun saves your family or making a mental mistake and having a lapse of judgement when you are tired, busy, mind on other things, etc and your child having a chance to handle your gun you carry around?
Unless you live in a dangerous place, its gonna be the latter. If you are a suburban dad in a safe neighborhood, you dont need to carry a chambered gun around. If you do, its for your ego, not any logical reason
Posted on 2/20/26 at 9:04 am to scottydoesntknow
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You cant fix stupid. This man legitimately is stupid and he deserves to go to prison as well as the torment of his stupidity killing his son.
I agree, and I think he probably will based on the charges.
But the truth is, around Atlanta, usually these stories involve drugged out parents (if that) leaving loaded guns on sofas and completely neglected kids. In other words, although sad, they rarely get my attention because it's just so foreign to me.
This one at least involved a dad that sounds like he was involved and cared about his family (the phone thing aside). Well, and it was very nearby. It's hard to talk about this stuff with gun guys sometimes because everyone wants to score points. If I say this was the product of "negligence" instead of "extreme cracked out recklessness" someone will claim I'm excusing his conduct, which I'm certainly not. But I did think this was a situation some people might find hits slightly closer to home than the average tragedy in this regard, hence posting it.
I will certainly say that when dealing with kids and guns, things that are just plainly negligent in most contexts become extreme recklessness. It's the upped ante part of carrying/owning, the same with avoiding conflict while carrying (IMO).
Several dudes in here are talking openly about the trade offs in safety and gun ownership/carrying with small kids, which I find refreshing. Do I think it makes sense to carry unchambered? No. But am I going to lecture some dad of toddlers about doing so for the purpose of trading effectiveness for security of his kids? Nah
Posted on 2/20/26 at 9:07 am to scottydoesntknow
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People just need to use basic reasoning. What is more likely? Being in a situation where a gun saves your family or making a mental mistake and having a lapse of judgement when you are tired, busy, mind on other things, etc and your child having a chance to handle your gun you carry around?
Unless you live in a dangerous place, its gonna be the latter. If you are a suburban dad in a safe neighborhood, you dont need to carry a chambered gun around. If you do, its for your ego, not any logical reason
I'm not really endorsing your stance, but definitely support normalizing gun guys talking like this. It's smart and it's honest.
I think the flip side is that if you're carrying, you should be trained and proficient and with that comes a safety process that effectively eliminates risk. But I get the value proposition too - even if I can 99.99% guarantee this through my conduct, what's the extreme significance of a highly unlikely deviation?
Posted on 2/20/26 at 9:28 am to Pettifogger
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I think the flip side is that if you're carrying, you should be trained and proficient and with that comes a safety process that effectively eliminates risk. But I get the value proposition too - even if I can 99.99% guarantee this through my conduct, what's the extreme significance of a highly unlikely deviation?
Yeah I think it just becomes a question of if that training and vigilance is worth it. If you live in Colombia, Brazil, etc or live/work in some US inner city...yeah probably. If you live in Cullman and the most dangerous place you go all week is Lowes, than probably not.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 9:58 am to Tigerlaff
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This is why I don't carry daily anymore. I'll get back to it one day but having the very small kids around is just too risky. If you've ever had a 1 and 4 year old running around wreaking havoc after an incredibly stressful month at work with little sleep, family obligations, and a yard/house to take care of then you know what I'm talking about. You just can't be as sharp as you normally are. Mistakes get made. Details get missed. Nothing wrong with that. And if I'm taking my family into any kind of risky environment whatsoever I'm carrying that day. It's the normal days where things get missed. Once they are not pure agents of entropy and chaos I'll get back to normal.
100%. I feel like the risk of me making a mistake is higher than the risk of not having a firearm accessible on my person 24/7, so the guns mostly stay in the safe these days. I can live with a situation that someone else caused, but I could not live having caused the situation that this guy did. I can't speak for the guy, but there's nothing a court could do to punish me after losing a kid like that. I'd have to go with them.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 10:04 am to AwgustaDawg
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but thinking there is a legit reason to do so is just not logical.
I see thousands of legit reasons everytime I drive around Memphis. Cultcha, cultcha is always a legit reason.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 10:08 am to scottydoesntknow
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People just need to use basic reasoning. What is more likely? Being in a situation where a gun saves your family or making a mental mistake and having a lapse of judgement when you are tired, busy, mind on other things, etc and your child having a chance to handle your gun you carry around?
One day I hope you'll take your own advice. Something that you, and the deeply uneducated like you that repeat this argument, is that many acts of random violence happen in "safe" neighborhoods. Happen at any time of day. Happen at any number of perfectly "safe" curcumstances. I carry every day, nothing to do with ego but an in-depth understanding and, unlike you, I have plenty of empirical evidence that supports my decision.
This post was edited on 2/20/26 at 10:09 am
Posted on 2/20/26 at 10:14 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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An Amazon Basics pistol case is about $10 and all you need to have quick and easy locked storage for a pistol.
You might want to search the internet, plenty of videos of demonstrations where a child manages to bypass these cheap lock boxes, even biometric ones with things like a bent up paperclip and a few minutes of time. Buying something like this and imagining it's a solution to child-access is just as irresponsible as simply leaving a loaded gun on a closet shelf or bedside drawer.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 10:35 am to Clames
If it’s not in a holster on your hip it should be put away. Treating a gun like a cell phone is ridiculous. Yes, it’s a pain to put on a belt when wearing shorts and a t-shirt but not carrying the weapon secured to your body is asking for trouble on multiple fronts.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 10:41 am to Giantkiller
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I have 2 pistols and have my CC. I keep both of them in lockboxes and don't carry regularly.
I have a small Ruger lcp .380.. IT NEVER leaves my pocket. Even when the pants are on the floor it stays right by me.
Posted on 2/23/26 at 2:33 pm to Chad504boy
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Can’t a person simply enjoy carrying their firearm cause they want to? Not sure why you want a cookie for never having a loaded firearm in your home.
Certainly. If you ask most of them they are doing for protection, not because they enjoy it.
Posted on 2/23/26 at 3:13 pm to Cajun75
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Wow, you should watch more ID channel shows!! I live in a great neighborhood, have had multiple children that are now grown and gone, and have always kept multiple guns loaded with bullets in the chamber in the house, and conceal carry everywhere I go including church. What good does it do to have a gun in the house in a safe when a burglar breaks in?? It only takes one time to lose your life or the life of someone you love. Would rather have one and not need it, than need one and not have it. I also trained my kids to never handle any of the guns unless we were out shooting.
I am 60 years old and lived the first 35 of those years on the south and west sides of Atlanta, ITP. Never had anyone break in a house while anyone was home or anyone wasn't at home. It is HIGHLY unlikely statistically. Most of those 35 years the house wasn't locked, day or night, with us there or not. Those neighborhoods are much safer today than they were then. I have guns in a safe because I like to shoot shite. Its damned fun. Like about 99% of Americans have never needed one to protect the house. Can't imagine living in the rare area it is a significant threat and doubt many people posting to these forums does. I know for a certainty the people I see around my current residence toting a gun to McDonalds is not facing a statistically significant threat that would necessitate it.
What kind of folks you going to church with that makes you need a gun? About 40% of Americans claim to attend church "somewhat regularly". If that is about half accurate that would mean somewhere around 60 million people go to church in the US each week. Lets say half of that, 30 million. That is 1.5 billion chances a year for a person to be killed in a Church, just on Sunday. Its way more than that the other 6 days of the week. In the last 141 years 155 have been killed in church. About 30% of those are the result of cowards bombing the church. In that instance everybody present could have had 10 guns and they'd have still died. About half of the remaining killings were family members targeting family members. About half of the remaining killings were the result of people taking issue with the type of church involved...and its seldom a mainstream Christian church. If you figure 1 million people have attended church in thos 141 years each week, a very low number, that means there were 733 million people in churches, on Sundays alone. who could have been shot. That is a .002 chance of being killed in a church in the US in the last 141 years based on very low attendance numbers. The math simply does not support the idea that being armed in a church is necessary. The odds of being struck by lightning are 3 times higher yet no one finds it necessary to tote a gun to prevent being struck by lightning. Being alive in the US is 4 times as likely to cause someone to die from being shot. It would be difficult to find a place where a firearm is more useless than a church. The constant carrying on about violent crime rates, particularly shootings, DRIVES anti-gun sentiment in the US and a HUGE source of that misinformation comes from gun owners who, for any reason, think its necessary to carry a gun at all times. Their constant refrain of "protection is needed, I can't live without it" creates unfounded fear and unfortunately many people suffering from those irrational fears are also irrationally afraid of guns. If we simply acknowledged the fact that we have the right to carry a gun because we have the right to do so and did not have to cast about for irrational justifications for it the public would be far less debilitated by their irrational fear of guns. Shooting shite is fun. Hunting is fun. Owning a gun is a right granted to us by the constitution. That's all we need. Our constant pearl clutching about protection makes idiots think its necessary to own a gun and many of those people are anti gun and conclude that the gun is the problem. It ain't by accident. The industry is all to glad to continue the rhetoric and drive up sales.
Posted on 2/23/26 at 3:16 pm to Clames
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I see thousands of legit reasons everytime I drive around Memphis. Cultcha, cultcha is always a legit reason.
So you are suffering from an irrational fear of people my friend. If you like guns just like guns...shooting shite is fun. Most people like to shoot shite. We also have the right to do so. Basing your rational for doing so for any other reason is irrational.
Posted on 2/23/26 at 3:19 pm to Grinder
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He lives in ATLANTA!
Have you not been to Atlanta?
I lived the first 35 years of my life in an era when crime was far worse in Atlanta than it is today and in an area where it was far worse than most of Atlanta at the time. Never encountered a reason to have gun on me other than when I was going hunting, going skeet shooting or simply going to shoot some shite. Owned guns and had access to guns from about the age of 7 or so. Have yet to need one to defend myself and like about 99.99999% of Americans never will. It just not necessary. Shooting shite is fun and its a right we have as Americans. That is all the justification one needs to own a gun....casting about for anything more is simply irrational.
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