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re: Travel Ball Mecca
Posted on 7/7/23 at 11:21 am to LSUFanHouston
Posted on 7/7/23 at 11:21 am to LSUFanHouston
I used to make fun of travel ball people... Now my youngest daughter dances competitively and we travel a lot for it and I've got no room to talk because of the ridiculous amounts of cash that I shell out.. At least I get to sit inside in the A/C and watch as opposed to baking in this summer heat..
Lol.. Gotta love the OT, this benign comment triggered someone...
I do also think the rise of travel ball is completely unnecessary and has ruined rec leagues..
Lol.. Gotta love the OT, this benign comment triggered someone...
I do also think the rise of travel ball is completely unnecessary and has ruined rec leagues..
This post was edited on 7/7/23 at 11:53 am
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Posted on 7/7/23 at 11:25 am to HottyToddy7
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95% of balls hit up that don’t get out are outs. That percentage of balls hit on the ground is a whole lot less. Are you that stupid?
3 options, ground ball, line drive, fly ball.
2 have chances to get ioy to 1st.
1 has almost 0 chance unless you hit it over the fence.
Why the frick would you teach the fly ball route? It’s ridiculously dumb and short sighted.
are you one of those stupid fricks that thinks launch angle means hitting the ball as high as possible?
BECUASE LINE DRIVES HAVE LAUNCH ANGLES!!! every ball hit does
in fact, most line drives are are hit between 10-20 degrees....guess what launch angle has the highest percentage of becoming a base hit???
ground balls are anything below 10 degrees at the college and mlb level. Guess what, the further you get away from the 10 degree, the lower the average
again....you dont even understand launch angle and think you hit an outside pitch at front of the plate.....you dont btw.
go learn and understand what launch angle is. nobody is teaching kids to hit fly balls. teaching them to hit line drives which again has a launch angle.
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Posted on 7/7/23 at 11:29 am to HottyToddy7
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When you kids make the high school team and they spend the whole freshmen year doing push-ups because all they can do is hit lazy fly balls to the pull side and the coach says “get it out of the air”, you will know what I’m talking about.
nobody said anythign about teaching a kid to hit lazy fly balls nor hit to the pullside.
again, you literally dont understand launch angle and exit velo so you are just making shite up.
and if you have a kid in HS that consistantly hits with an exit velo of over 95, yea im gonna teach him to put it in the air. that doesnt mean everything has to be pullside, quite the opposite if you actually understand hip hinge, tilt and keeping and rotating the triangle/box.
the data straight up says you are 100% wrong. but you fail to admit it because you think launch angle=fly balls above 35 degrees.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 11:30 am to lsu777
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are you one of those stupid fricks that thinks launch angle means hitting the ball as high as possible?
No. We are discussing ground balls. You brought it up.
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round balls are anything below 10 degrees at the college and mlb level. Guess what, the further you get away from the 10 degree, the lower the average
It isn’t an apple to apples comparison in HS or younger kids. AT ALL.
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again....you dont even understand launch angle and think you hit an outside pitch at front of the plate.....you dont btw.
You don’t understand what I’m talking about. It’s ok, I’ll make a YouTube video with an evo shield hat explaining it and you will be defending it this time next week.
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go learn and understand what launch angle is. nobody is teaching kids to hit fly balls. teaching them to hit line drives which again has a launch angle.
You said ground ball were pointless and you use launch angle to teach kids to not hit balls on the ground. That seems to be exactly what you are doing.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 11:33 am to lsu777
Y’all have trackman at these travel ball tournaments? I would love to see the BA of your team broken down by GB/LD/FB. Hell I might come chart it myself.
And normal contact point on an outside pitch is right at the left nut. But if you catch an outside pitch outside the front knee, guess what… it elevates. Go watch Crews oppo taco in the CWS and ask yourself in relation to the plate where the contact point was.
And normal contact point on an outside pitch is right at the left nut. But if you catch an outside pitch outside the front knee, guess what… it elevates. Go watch Crews oppo taco in the CWS and ask yourself in relation to the plate where the contact point was.
This post was edited on 7/7/23 at 11:35 am
Posted on 7/7/23 at 11:44 am to lsu777
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again depends on what level you play at. i can tell you, if you want to play on a high level team in south louisiana......only about 8 from nola to LC...if that. even less in north & central LA now AA teams...there are tons of those everywhere. thats what some of yall dont seem to understand...yall see these AA teams and think that is how they all are...thats not the case
I’m glad you are finally saying this.
The vast majority of travel ball in south LA is made up of young kid AA teams playing U-Trip. All of the problems and associated mocking come from this large majority.
For the very few teams of 12-16 year olds that play at a high level, no one makes fun of these teams. This teams are basically replacements for what used to be Babe Ruth all star teams, just a different style. But it’s still the best kids playing on weekends against the other best kids.
But that’s a small minority of what travel ball is, here, in 2023.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 11:47 am to lsu777
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as mentioned in swla...rec ball is not good
What would it be if all the players played rec instead of AA travel? Probably be a decent league.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 11:49 am to LSUFanHouston
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What would it be if all the players played rec instead of AA travel? Probably be a decent league
It would be great. The the AAA parents that didn’t want to pay as much money could play Rec ball and a few tournaments in June. That is the ideal system.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 11:49 am to HottyToddy7
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95% of balls hit up that don’t get out are outs.
That is completely wrong
Posted on 7/7/23 at 11:51 am to LSUFanHouston
I have to agree with LSU777. After 12U if you are not playing AAA or Majors and playing in Majors or Open tournaments it's basically glorified Rec Ball. The baseball is really bad in AA after 12.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 11:53 am to Mr. Hangover
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That is completely wrong
At what level? In high school or higher, 98% of fly balls are outs.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 11:53 am to HottyToddy7
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The the AAA parents that didn’t want to pay as much money could play Rec ball and a few tournaments in June. That is the ideal system.
So kinda like a rec league, then the AAA kids make the all star team, and then the all star team plays in 3 or so tournaments and then plays in a district tournament, and if they win that, they then go play in state, then regional, then a world series?
What a concept.
That's of course EXACTLY how it used to be.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 11:55 am to LSUFanHouston
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That's of course EXACTLY how it used to be
Smarter people than me decided it was a huge money maker to rip of the middle/suburban class of America. It has worked like a charm.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 11:55 am to LSUFanHouston
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I’m glad you are finally saying this.
man ive kind of always said this
but i also think the way the system is now is pretty damn good, just not good for the pocket book. i said from the start, my view is kind of jaded due to the level my kids play at.
i say that because it allows rec kids who normally wouldnt get to play infield or play much at all....get to play
aa kids get to play against other aa kids, aaa and above get to play against the better competition
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The vast majority of travel ball in south LA is made up of young kid AA teams playing U-Trip. All of the problems and associated mocking come from this large majority.
For the very few teams of 12-16 year olds that play at a high level, no one makes fun of these teams. This teams are basically replacements for what used to be Babe Ruth all star teams, just a different style. But it’s still the best kids playing on weekends against the other best kids.
But that’s a small minority of what travel ball is, here, in 2023.
100% agree. spoke with people from USSSA last night and frankly in louisiana...they have no desire to change either. As long as the AA teams go, they have no desire to push for better competition and its why so many good teams hardly play usssa at all.
frankly it is getting more and more watered down to the point of insanity and the amount of teams fighting to stay AA so they can win has gotten to the point of just being comical. and yes most of these teams could just go back to rec and that would be fine for someplace like SLC ll. problem is in the small towns where you have 2-3 AAA or above type kids and only 5-7 true AA type kids and the rest are just terrible....thats not a good league to do rec in. thats what many of the AA kids are facing too.
but yes even in AA ball there have become levels. got teams that actually will go play the better AA teams and then others that are only entering tournaments that have 4 or so teams all local who are all weak AF.
most of the OTC tournaments in SELA are similar to the USSSA. weak weak.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 11:55 am to WalkerTrash
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I have to agree with LSU777. After 12U if you are not playing AAA or Majors and playing in Majors or Open tournaments it's basically glorified Rec Ball. The baseball is really bad in AA after 12.
The kids playing AA after 12 are not playing HS ball, they are at the end of their baseball careers until they play intramural softball at college and in adult beer leagues. At best.
So yeah, it's glorified rec ball. That's exactly what it is.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 11:58 am to HottyToddy7
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Y’all have trackman at these travel ball tournaments? I would love to see the BA of your team broken down by GB/LD/FB. Hell I might come chart it myself.
And normal contact point on an outside pitch is right at the left nut. But if you catch an outside pitch outside the front knee, guess what… it elevates. Go watch Crews oppo taco in the CWS and ask yourself in relation to the plate where the contact point was.
im done discussing this with you. again who gives a shite what a 10 or 11 year old is able to get away with? the percentages show hitting in the 10-20 degree slot gives the best outcome as far as BA across the board.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 11:59 am to lsu777
So line drives are good, ground balls and fly balls are bad? What a novel concept.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 11:59 am to lsu777
That is why the Select Series works. Strong teams competing against strong teams each week.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 12:00 pm to lsu777
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cool, we go hunting and fishing too....but mine will actually have a chance to play high school ball. didnt want to make that decision for them
And just wait until High school ball is happening, they might have a chance to play college ball if they're seen by the college coaches and scouts. And you really need to get on a summer league travel team to be showcased and seen to have a chance to play college ball.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 12:01 pm to lsu777
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most of the OTC tournaments in SELA are similar to the USSSA. weak weak.
OTC in SELA is basically people that got tired of the politics / BS in U Trip, so they created their own politcs / BS in OTC.
It's all watered down at that level. Because even at AA, half those kids shouldn't even be in AA.
To bring this back to the original post... the kids I know who play in PG and the other high level tournaments, their parents are not going to the Foley outlet mall to buy "merch" at a world series.
And U-Trip won't change as long as the cash keeps flowing in.
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