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re: U.S. Military no longer supporting Scouts
Posted on 11/25/25 at 10:03 am to Shexter
Posted on 11/25/25 at 10:03 am to Shexter
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Many kids on the spectrum are home schooled. Scouts is a way to get those home schooled kids out and socializing.
The level of security I saw while my girls were in Scouts was impressive.
Zero one-on-one contact was allowed at any time.
Background checks even on parents who simply wanted to help out from time to time.
If anything, they're over the top - which isn't really a bad thing.
They are very strict with background checks which is awesome. Some of the stuff seems a bit much like with the rules for swimming, etc. but I get it and don't have an issue.
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Posted on 11/25/25 at 10:06 am to ghost2most
I’m perfectly fine with it. Any and all remnants of Dei/woke policies are to be completely abandoned.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 10:06 am to Sam Quint
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because there needs to be something, somewhere, anywhere where it can just be boys only,
This is exactly what my wife said after my son’s experience with scouts. Boys just can’t be allowed to have anything for themselves. Schools are feminized and boys need a non-sports outlet just to be boys.
But also, Scouts isn’t that anyway, at least not in my experience. It wasn’t the rough and tumble outdoorsy primitive camping experience people might have in mind. It’s probably highly dependent on location but my son wanted to like it but was bored.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 10:06 am to Swamp Angel
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Scouting today does not resemble scouting of former generations in even the least. It used to teach self-reliance and provide a good moral base. Now, it teaches very little regarding woodscraft, survival, first aid, citizenship, etc.
I purchased a Scout Field Book for one of my coworkers whose sons enjoy running around their many wooded acres like wild Indians during the summers. I though it would provide them with some guidance on building shelters, starting a cooking fire, lashing poles together to create tripods and rope bridges - but NOoOoOo! It's full of climate alarmist crap, equity and inclusion tripe, and namby-pamby sissy-boy BS.
My 12 year old is Scouts. She is currently at Winter Camp for 4 nights. She is taking woodsmanship, Family Life, fire starting, and fishing during this camp.
I haven't seen anything close to what you are saying in our experience.
Her experience is very similar to my experience in the 80s/90s.
This post was edited on 11/25/25 at 10:08 am
Posted on 11/25/25 at 10:07 am to Swamp Angel
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I purchased a Scout Field Book for one of my coworkers whose sons enjoy running around their many wooded acres like wild Indians during the summers. I though it would provide them with some guidance on building shelters, starting a cooking fire, lashing poles together to create tripods and rope bridges - but NOoOoOo! It's full of climate alarmist crap, equity and inclusion tripe, and namby-pamby sissy-boy BS.
That's funny, we just built a rope bridge and some pioneering towers at blessing of the buffalo. The best part of being a leader in Scouts, is getting to sit back and give very little guidance (basically only be there for emergencies) and watch the kids become leaders and do everything it takes to host campouts, put on events, and teach each other merit badges.
Is there some DEI stuff in there, yes there it is, I won't deny they have added some of that stuff to required Eagle merit badges. Does it impact the program you give your kids? Absolutely not. Charter Orgs have the ability to put on much different programs from each other and not every troop is equal to others. We have a very active outdoors troop that has produced some amazing Eagle scouts this year. You know what it takes to do this, actually putting boots on the ground and teaching the kids the way you want to teach them instead of sitting on a message board complaining its not the way it was in the past.
This post was edited on 11/25/25 at 10:12 am
Posted on 11/25/25 at 10:08 am to ghost2most
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What I've noticed about Scouts since my daughter joined as a Lion last year is that it seems to be an outlet for kids on the spectrum.
Not sure if it's always been that way.
My guess is kids who don't/can't play sports or have trouble in social interactions are drawn to it - or maybe their parents push them to it.
One of the reasons we signed up my kid was just to give her variety. She's already in sports and likes camping, etc. At this age it's very sweet that they don't notice the differences too much.
I'm sure that will change at some point. But I'll say this, the cubscouts themselves and parents in our pack have zero issues with my daughter being there and love her because she's so outgoing and social and heps bring it out of some of the shy/awkward kids.
My kids weren't interested in sports and they did scouts when they were younger. It was a great experience for them. In LA, there aren't many groups doing the activities that scouts do. We were doing a lot of these activities anyway, so it was good for them to be around other kids who were interested in that. One of my kids is high functioning autistic and wasn't going to be playing travel ball or hanging with jocks. It was great for him and helped get him out of his comfort zone when he was young.
If you feel it's a good fit for your kids, I wouldn't worry about what anyone else thinks. The experience will be what you want to make it.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 10:09 am to Dam Guide
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Get this Lord Baden Powell always wanted girls in Scouts.
yes, i'm sure the culture a hundred years ago that wanted coed Scouts was exactly the same as the culture today that hates men and teaches boys to be girls. this is definitely relevant and definitely is an apples to apples comparison that really puts me in my place.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 10:09 am to biglego
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But also, Scouts isn’t that anyway, at least not in my experience. It wasn’t the rough and tumble outdoorsy primitive camping experience people might have in mind. It’s probably highly dependent on location but my son wanted to like it but was bored.
Scouts can be either way. It's very much dependent on troop. Some troops are girls only, some troops are boys only, starting last year now we have some troops that are mixed. It's all depending on what the charter org wants for their troop. The charter org is usually the church that hosts them. They get to decide if they want boys only spaces. This is the way it should be, people are free to believe what they want and still get to benefit from scouting.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 10:11 am to Water
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They support ‘preferred pronouns and gender identity’ of ‘transgender children’.
That's dumb. But in our pack not an issue that we've encountered or that's come up.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 10:12 am to Sam Quint
There are all boy troops.
There are all girl troops (my daughter is in one).
There are coed troops.
There are very conservative troops (my daughter's troop is very conservative). There are definitely more liberal troops.
Like with most massive organizations, it depends on local leadership.
Painting these things with broad brushes is always dumb.
There are all girl troops (my daughter is in one).
There are coed troops.
There are very conservative troops (my daughter's troop is very conservative). There are definitely more liberal troops.
Like with most massive organizations, it depends on local leadership.
Painting these things with broad brushes is always dumb.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 10:13 am to Salmon
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My 12 year old is Scouts. She is currently at Winter Camp for 4 nights. She is taking woodsmanship, Family Life, fire starting, and fishing during this camp.
I haven't seen anything close to what you are saying in our experience.
Her experience is very similar to my experience in the 80s/90s.
This was our experience as well. And as my kids have gotten older and their friends who were into sports start coming to the camp more, I've noticed they are the ones who are soft, can't function without the phone, and lack a lot of the skills that my kids learned from scouting. This is a generalization but I've seen it more than I would have thought.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 10:14 am to Dam Guide
Shameless plug here, if you want a scouting experience, without all the woke/DEI crap, and Bible teachings, look for Trail Life or American Heritage Girls in your area. Our church broke off from BSA a while back and the troop is now chartered under Trail Life. Biblical principles, and church leadership, but it is mostly run by the dads and volunteers. The curriculum for earning badges and awards is similar to the Boy Scouts. Some of the dads joke that is is boy scouts with Jesus.
Both of my boys have loved it. They have friends from church and school in the troop, and we don't just do camping trips. We've done overnight trips to the Tennessee Aquarium, the USS Alabama, and at the first of the year we're going to the space and rocket center in Huntsville to spend the night there.
Both of my boys have loved it. They have friends from church and school in the troop, and we don't just do camping trips. We've done overnight trips to the Tennessee Aquarium, the USS Alabama, and at the first of the year we're going to the space and rocket center in Huntsville to spend the night there.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 10:14 am to jizzle6609
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Too many pedophiles and cross deessing kids have infiltrated the scouts and the scouts wont grow a sack to root out all the undesirables.
Eagle Scout used to be a big deal when I was young. Not now, and it’s because the former BSA gave ground again and again until the organization has no standards.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 10:15 am to Salmon
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Painting these things with broad brushes is always dumb.
Yes, and what's dumb, imo, is being petty and not supporting an org that is doing way more good than harm.
I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the DEI junk they included due to massive social pressure is rolled back or out in the coming years.
But in today's age when so many kids have zero social skills are are addicted to smart phones or video games and social media, having a wholesome, values-oriented outlet that encourages citizenship and respecting the outdoors is a good thing.
To throw the baby out with the bathwater is extremely shortsighted and petty.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 10:16 am to Sam Quint
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yes, i'm sure the culture a hundred years ago that wanted coed Scouts was exactly the same as the culture today that hates men and teaches boys to be girls. this is definitely relevant and definitely is an apples to apples comparison that really puts me in my place.
Baden Powell had the same worry 100 years ago that a lot of us have today. People aren't being taught how to exist in the woods and excel. People aren't being taught how to be leaders. We have the same concerns.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 10:18 am to TU Rob
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Shameless plug here, if you want a scouting experience, without all the woke/DEI crap, and Bible teachings, look for Trail Life or American Heritage Girls in your area. Our church broke off from BSA a while back and the troop is now chartered under Trail Life. Biblical principles, and church leadership, but it is mostly run by the dads and volunteers. The curriculum for earning badges and awards is similar to the Boy Scouts. Some of the dads joke that is is boy scouts with Jesus.
Both of my boys have loved it. They have friends from church and school in the troop, and we don't just do camping trips. We've done overnight trips to the Tennessee Aquarium, the USS Alabama, and at the first of the year we're going to the space and rocket center in Huntsville to spend the night there.
I'll take a look. I mean, I know it's pack dependent but ours is at a church and one of the requirements is attend a church service.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 10:22 am to ghost2most
they support made up shite so we will not support them period
Posted on 11/25/25 at 10:23 am to TU Rob
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Trail Life
We joke it's where all the creepy Scientologist type people went.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 10:27 am to Swamp Angel
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Scouting today does not resemble scouting of former generations in even the least. It used to teach self-reliance and provide a good moral base. Now, it teaches very little regarding woodscraft, survival, first aid, citizenship, etc. I purchased a Scout Field Book for one of my coworkers whose sons enjoy running around their many wooded acres like wild Indians during the summers. I though it would provide them with some guidance on building shelters, starting a cooking fire, lashing poles together to create tripods and rope bridges - but NOoOoOo! It's full of climate alarmist crap, equity and inclusion tripe, and namby-pamby sissy-boy BS. I had to go dig through boxes and boxes that had been sealed up through the years to find my Boy Scout Field Book printed in 1979 so they'd have something decent for reference in regard to outdoor activities like camping, fishing, hunting, etc. Once upon a time, the Eagle Scout award was the only civilian award allowed to be worn on a military uniform because it truly meant something and showed the wearer to be a person of merit and accomplishment. Maybe it's still allowed, but it certainly doesn't mean the same thing it used to mean in the Scouting world.
When my sons were in (and that’s been in the last 5 years), it was still like that. It has everything to do with local leadership.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 10:28 am to Dam Guide
Yes I believe you’re right. Scouts is highly dependent on the troop. My own troop when I was a kid was just ok but mostly we sat around tying knots. One single camping trip.
My son was still a little fellow, he was 7-8, and his group (I forget if it’s a den or pack or troop) met weekly at a school playground and did projects but it wasn’t very adventurous. Half the kids were girls and their moms were always closely engaged. So you had a group of half girls, half boys, with a strong Indian mom presence—it just wasn’t what he expected. Felt more like an extension of school.
My son was still a little fellow, he was 7-8, and his group (I forget if it’s a den or pack or troop) met weekly at a school playground and did projects but it wasn’t very adventurous. Half the kids were girls and their moms were always closely engaged. So you had a group of half girls, half boys, with a strong Indian mom presence—it just wasn’t what he expected. Felt more like an extension of school.
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