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re: Violent behavior displayed by Pretti a week before he was shot
Posted on 1/29/26 at 2:29 pm to pistolpete23
Posted on 1/29/26 at 2:29 pm to pistolpete23
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Probably less than a second..
it was longer than that.. the agent was able to get out of the line of fire... he's either the quickest person on the planet or, just hear me out, there was a little longer than you are claiming
This post was edited on 1/29/26 at 2:39 pm
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Posted on 1/29/26 at 2:33 pm to sgallo3
I’m referring specifically to your claim that the gun had to be fired at the officer who fired the shot.
Posted on 1/29/26 at 2:35 pm to GRTiger
quote:Exactly
If you spit on me, I'm breaking your skull open, with no hesitation. frick every person who spits on someone else. I hate you and hope you die a horrible death. Nasty animals.
Posted on 1/29/26 at 2:37 pm to pankReb
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I’m referring specifically to your claim that the gun had to be fired at the officer who fired the shot.
I never said it HAD to be pointed at him.
I said he never saw a weapon pointed at him.
A weapon pointed by Pretti at anyone else wouldve been justification as well.
This post was edited on 1/29/26 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 1/29/26 at 2:41 pm to chRxis
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it's more of being intellectually dishonest, than struggling with that fact...
Seems so. Shame people cant reason without emotional bias.
This post was edited on 1/29/26 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 1/29/26 at 2:45 pm to sgallo3
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Shame people cant reason without emotional bias.
Most rational people think this about the dead communist.
Posted on 1/29/26 at 2:47 pm to QJenk
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It also has zero bearing on whether or not the shooting was justified.
In the court of public opinion it has lots of bearing and provides tons of context. I know lots of people love to get all lawyer on here but I have to let you knows, It's a Wendy's.
Posted on 1/29/26 at 2:50 pm to sgallo3
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I said he never saw a weapon pointed at him.
And I’m, once again…..pointing out that the weapon didn’t have to only be pointing at him.
Posted on 1/29/26 at 2:53 pm to GRTiger
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Most rational people think this about the dead communist
His death is meaningless in the greater scheme and he is already dead so focus should be on the law.
Posted on 1/29/26 at 2:57 pm to sgallo3
After a week of getting gaslit by these motherfrickers.
Posted on 1/29/26 at 3:00 pm to sgallo3
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His death is meaningless in the greater scheme and he is already dead so focus should be on the law.
This would be true if there weren't thousands like him doing all they can to obstruct law enforcement as we speak. Every death from that crew will be meaningless, but unless good judgment defeats emotional stupidity, there will be more chances for yall to deify more scumbags.
Posted on 1/29/26 at 3:01 pm to lsu13lsu
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In the court of public opinion
Meh
I can’t imagine this changing a substantial amount of people’s minds about whether the shooting was justified or not.
If you thought his killing was justified before, even if you only felt that way deep down and quietly or tried to “both sides” it, then now you have some rationalization to point to, however weak it may be. (Very weak)
If you thought unarmed American citizens should not be shot in the back of the head by federal immigration agents before this new clip aired, then you probably still feel that way.
It will make him less sympathetic of a victim to some, but I don’t think (and never thought) that his killing was wrong because he was allegedly a great guy.
It was wrong because it was wrong. And it still is.
Posted on 1/29/26 at 3:18 pm to NawlinsTiger9
quote:
Meh
I can’t imagine this changing a substantial amount of people’s minds about whether the shooting was justified or not.
If you thought his killing was justified before, even if you only felt that way deep down and quietly or tried to “both sides” it, then now you have some rationalization to point to, however weak it may be. (Very weak)
If you thought unarmed American citizens should not be shot in the back of the head by federal immigration agents before this new clip aired, then you probably still feel that way.
It will make him less sympathetic of a victim to some, but I don’t think (and never thought) that his killing was wrong because he was allegedly a great guy.
It was wrong because it was wrong. And it still is
It only matters because we can make it political. Shootings like this happen more frequently than many like to admit.
As a person, I probably wouldn't like Pretti. Does that really matter? Nope. I do not believe his shooting was justified.
Was it deserved? As I have said before, we all get what we deserve whether we like it or not. Deserved is based on our actions. Pretti played a very dangerous game. We know that volatile interactions with LEOs increase risk of a fatality. This risk increases exponetially with every volatile interaction the individual has. Pretti had more than one in a single week's time, that we know of. The risk level caught up to him. Pretti was not Daniel Shaver and the circumstances are much different. I do feel a bit sorry for Mr Pretti. I would feel more if he did not actively look for confrontation with LEOs. My feelings have zero to do with any political leanings he may or may not have had.
Still, the shooting was not justified.
Posted on 1/29/26 at 3:20 pm to UtahCajun
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UtahCajun
Yeah you've got it covered.
Posted on 1/29/26 at 3:41 pm to Stidham8
The previous altercation provides context regarding the altercation where Pretti died.
Even if ICE wants to use Pretti’s previous confrontation to argue something about his behavior or threat level:
(1) It could be introduced under narrow legal theories (perception, context, pattern of behavior), but
(2) It generally cannot be used simply to show he had a violent nature or “deserved” the outcome.
(3) Prosecutors (in a criminal defense by agents) or civil plaintiffs will challenge it vigorously as prejudicial rather than probative.
The admissibility and impact would ultimately be decided by the judge under Federal Rules of Evidence and case law about prior bad acts, relevance, and fairness. Regardless, he FAFO’d.
Even if ICE wants to use Pretti’s previous confrontation to argue something about his behavior or threat level:
(1) It could be introduced under narrow legal theories (perception, context, pattern of behavior), but
(2) It generally cannot be used simply to show he had a violent nature or “deserved” the outcome.
(3) Prosecutors (in a criminal defense by agents) or civil plaintiffs will challenge it vigorously as prejudicial rather than probative.
The admissibility and impact would ultimately be decided by the judge under Federal Rules of Evidence and case law about prior bad acts, relevance, and fairness. Regardless, he FAFO’d.
Posted on 1/29/26 at 3:50 pm to Hobie101
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Now do Gabby Giffords. Survived, but just barely
Do what about Giffords?
Posted on 1/29/26 at 3:57 pm to thejuiceisloose
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Damn that’s crazy, still in no way does this warrant being killed by law enforcement
Are you clueless enough to think they purposely killed him for kicking out a tail light?
Posted on 1/29/26 at 4:06 pm to UtahCajun
That's a really good take. I agree.
Posted on 1/29/26 at 4:34 pm to UtahCajun
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I do feel a bit sorry for Mr Pretti. I would feel more if he did not actively look for confrontation with LEOs.
This is why I don’t feel sorry for him BECAUSE he actively looked for confrontation with LEO’s. I feel sorry for his family. Both for losing a family member and their name now being attached to this incident.
quote:
Still, the shooting was not justified.
Correct. I also don’t see it as murder.
Posted on 1/29/26 at 5:07 pm to chRxis
No, it wasn't.
It was less than a second, per WSJ frame by frame analysis.
If you other documented sources, I'd like to see it.
ETA: source, WSJ:
It was less than a second, per WSJ frame by frame analysis.
If you other documented sources, I'd like to see it.
ETA: source, WSJ:
quote:
Bystander footage appears to tell a different story. A frame-by-frame review by The Wall Street Journal shows a federal officer pulling a handgun away from Pretti. Less than a second later, an agent fires several rounds. Pretti died at the scene
This post was edited on 1/29/26 at 5:10 pm
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