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Posted on 3/28/22 at 3:30 pm to Fun Bunch
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You are being extremely obtuse.
Posted on 3/28/22 at 3:33 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Two people running up and getting in the middle of it doesn’t, in and of itself, prove that it wasn’t fake.
Asking again because no one has addressed this post form earlier:
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OK...so here's a question I think is worth asking.
Could you (anyone, not just you ky) be persuaded off your position to the other side? That is, if you think it was real, could something come out that would make you believe it was fake...and if you think it was fake is there something that could come out that would make you believe it was real?
For me as someone that thinks it was real, yeah...100% I could be convinced otherwise. All it would take it one of the main culprits to admit it was faked, or someone really close to it with first hand knowledge of it being a hoax. I'd happily admit I'd be duped and laugh about it and move on.
But...I have a feeling that there is nothing that would persuade someone who thinks it's fake, because anyone that comes out and says it's real is just in on it, right? Part of the act?
Seriously though...could any of you be be convinced to switch sides, and if so what would it take?
At this point we've had The Academy come out and denounce what happened and there is talk of sanctioning him or potentially taking away his award (never gonna' happen but whatever)...so if that from them is not enough, what is? Anything?
Posted on 3/28/22 at 3:33 pm to musick
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Dude plays Muhammad Ali and had pro boxing training for the role and only manages a weak slap?
He still maintains that training and trains hard. Dude is pretty built, and knows how to throw a punch.
I mean, is it really unreasonable to assume that he wouldn't really want to necessarily hurt him seriously more so than to just make a point?
Posted on 3/28/22 at 3:35 pm to Mud_Bone
Posted on 3/28/22 at 3:36 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Oh for frick’s sake.
Why does that question bother you so much?
I guess it looks like you think it was real too.
This post was edited on 3/28/22 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 3/28/22 at 3:36 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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Asking again because no one has addressed this post form earlier:
Actually, another poster did respond to you.
As for me, I was initially on the fake side. I still think there is a slight chance that it could be. As I stated before, Rock’s reaction is what makes me think that it’s likely real. Now, maybe he’s a great actor too, but his reaction seems very real to me.
Smith is a loon, so I can see him going either way. It’s too bad too, I liked him a lot, but it’s clear that he’s close to breaking down.
This post was edited on 3/28/22 at 3:37 pm
Posted on 3/28/22 at 3:37 pm to musick
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In 2022 blindly believing anything should get the grief, not people that question things presented to them.
Oh...and this is where I agree 100% I'm normally Mr. Skeptic about everything, and my first reaction here was to think it was fake.
then I watched the unedited video and saw it differently.
But I actually think your point is completely right and what is mostly driving this for you guys...not wanting to get punked by yet another hoax. I get it, really. Looking back, most on this board never bought the Jussie Smollett nonsense...but what kind of an a-hole would you feel like if you'd gone on record believing his arse when that went down? Same with this.
This is way different for me, based on what I saw though.
Posted on 3/28/22 at 3:38 pm to musick
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Since when in history has any type of assault been treated as the perp needed to be consoled?
Great point. He had to be consoled for his aggression. Clown world
Posted on 3/28/22 at 3:38 pm to jchamil
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Why does question that bother you so much?
Sorry. I posted before reading your entire response.
My personal feeling is that no, they wouldn’t be in on it (if it was fake). They would have been responding naturally to what they perceived to be a pretty major incident.
Posted on 3/28/22 at 3:38 pm to jatilen
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Chris Rock Comedy Tour Sees Surge in Ticket Sales After Will Smith Slap
But I was told Rock had nothing to gain
Posted on 3/28/22 at 3:39 pm to Mo Jeaux
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My personal feeling is that no, they wouldn’t be in on it (if it was fake). They would have been responding naturally to what they perceived to be a pretty major incident.
Makes sense
Posted on 3/28/22 at 3:40 pm to SPEEDY
Posted on 3/28/22 at 3:42 pm to musick
quote:Smith shows mental instability. He's laughing, attacks someone , classlessly screaming expletives & sobbing all within 30-60 seconds. They were trying to calm down a an obviously unstable nut. Rock was all class though.
How about the fact that instead of taking him away or off stage that Will Smith was getting consoled, and he was crying, after he was the perpetrator
Smith should have been kick out. Not allowed back to the Awards.
Posted on 3/28/22 at 3:44 pm to musick
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He still maintains that training and trains hard. Dude is pretty built, and knows how to throw a punch.
How about the fact that instead of taking him away or off stage that Will Smith was getting consoled, and he was crying, after he was the perpetrator
Since when in history has any type of assault been treated as the perp needed to be consoled?
Play this out.
Will Smith did not punch him hard and knock him down, we all agree right? Yeah...assuming it was real, what he did was completely inappropriate and 100% assault. But it WAS just a slap. So...what happens if things go haywire in reaction to what he did?
Security rushes the stage as tackles Will Smith, A-List Hollywood superstar who is nominated for Best Actor at this award show, and wrestle him out with Jada Smith and likely many other actors screaming about racism and harassment, etc. and the show cuts to commercial. When they finally come back do they ignore it, knowing a bunch of celebrities have just live tweeted what happened, or do they address it? Then what happens 30 minutes later for the Best Actor award when they call his name and show a still image? What happens further when he wins?
All I see from this is 100% total damage control from an out of control fricked up no win situation caused by a guy they could do very little to during the moment.
Posted on 3/28/22 at 3:44 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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But I actually think your point is completely right and what is mostly driving this for you guys...not wanting to get punked by yet another hoax. I get it, really. Looking back, most on this board never bought the Jussie Smollett nonsense...but what kind of an a-hole would you feel like if you'd gone on record believing his arse when that went down? Same with this.
Good insight.
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This is way different for me, based on what I saw though.
Fair enough, and I do see the other side of it too. It's just that when I watch it I get WWE work vibes all around. I see the lame joke, not even worth a blink, and a Hollywood establishment type totally "break character" , turn heel and assume a role. That's what it feels like to me. It's the classic nWo Hollywood Hogan reveal.
I'm aware of the nuance, the history, the recent publicity of Jada sleeping around, etc. But to me all that adds to the fact it could have went either way.
This post was edited on 3/28/22 at 3:46 pm
Posted on 3/28/22 at 3:46 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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I mean, is it really unreasonable to assume that he wouldn't really want to necessarily hurt him seriously more so than to just make a point?
I've wondered out loud if maybe he DID intend to knock the crap out of him when he hopped up and then started realizing where he was and dialed it back...only to have Chris Rock call him out a bit for hitting him on stage and then lose his shite again while sitting back down.
Posted on 3/28/22 at 3:51 pm to GeauxTigerTM
quote:Could have asked him to leave during the next commercial break. He was nearly standing offstage anyway talking to Denzel/ Perry.
All I see from this is 100% total damage control from an out of control fricked up no win situation caused by a guy they could do very little to during the moment.
Posted on 3/28/22 at 3:55 pm to El Segundo Guy
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The threat of a public arse kicking used to keep people from mouthing off to each other for centuries.
It used to be pretty common knowledge that talking shite about a man's wife warrants a physical reaction. I have no problem with it and the world would be a better place if it was done more frequently.
This is pretty much where I'm at with the whole thing. Some jokes you probably shouldn't throw out there. Say some out of pocket shite about my wife and see what happens.
Posted on 3/28/22 at 3:58 pm to sugar71
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Could have asked him to leave during the next commercial break. He was nearly standing offstage anyway talking to Denzel/ Perry.
That does not address this portion of my post:
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When they finally come back do they ignore it, knowing a bunch of celebrities have just live tweeted what happened, or do they address it? Then what happens 30 minutes later for the Best Actor award when they call his name and show a still image? What happens further when he wins?
I'm not saying I agree with them doing nothing, just that assuming nothing was done because they knew it was a hoax is just not thinking this all the way through. I don't think they'd have done it even if he was not nominated for an award to be handed out 30 minutes later...but knowing they'd have to address it soon made it impossible for them unless they wanted to actually do the right thing here. Imagine the blow back they'd have received had they removed Will and Jada Smith at that point and then it was obvious he was not there to accept his Oscar? the story today would be about how the Academy overreacted to a black mand defending his wife.
Plus, Chris Rock could have made it easy on them and said not to worry about it...who knows.
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