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re: WTF happened to JonBenet?
Posted on 9/19/16 at 11:57 am to HaveMercy
Posted on 9/19/16 at 11:57 am to HaveMercy
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DNA on her panties that remains unidentified a
Yeah, but if they were new and not washed.. that DNA could be from a number of people in a department store that handled the clothing..
That's not very telling IMO
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Posted on 9/19/16 at 12:00 pm to Lsupimp
OK, so as I stated, the show last night was the 1st and only thing I've seen on this. At all. And, I even added that I had to question the motive of the director because it became obvious that just about everything portrayed was against the parents.
So, I ask, since I wasn't even in the country at that time, much less in Boulder, what facts did you see\hear that proves otherwise? And I'm not doubting you. I went into last nights show completely unbiased becuase I knew nothing of the case other than the girls names.
Again, the ending of the phone call was odd with the chatter in the background. Did the FBI plant that?
The letter was extremely unusual and detailed to the point, that looking at it objectively, it almost has to be someone who knew them. And why even right a note, in their house, with the child dead?
Again, I'm not debating you, I'm curious as to what facts you have. I'm extremely interested in this now after watching the CBS show last night, and like mentioned, had zero knowledge or opinion leading up to that show.
So, I ask, since I wasn't even in the country at that time, much less in Boulder, what facts did you see\hear that proves otherwise? And I'm not doubting you. I went into last nights show completely unbiased becuase I knew nothing of the case other than the girls names.
Again, the ending of the phone call was odd with the chatter in the background. Did the FBI plant that?
The letter was extremely unusual and detailed to the point, that looking at it objectively, it almost has to be someone who knew them. And why even right a note, in their house, with the child dead?
Again, I'm not debating you, I'm curious as to what facts you have. I'm extremely interested in this now after watching the CBS show last night, and like mentioned, had zero knowledge or opinion leading up to that show.
Posted on 9/19/16 at 12:05 pm to caliegeaux
why would someone who broke in take the time to write that note.. and then take the time to stash the body inside the home.. what would be the point of that wasted time.. that's ridiculous. it's going to get found inside the home at some point. it would take so much time to do all these things.. so much time. and to them while everyone is home..
Posted on 9/19/16 at 12:07 pm to Lsupimp
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quote: The mom clearly wrote the ransom note. Nope. That's where your theory goes off the tracks. Most people stop there, as you did. Your conclusion is based on a faulty premise.
The ID program did address this: they used a scale - can't remember what's called - but Patsy scored a 4.5 out of 5 - with a "1" score meaning she likely wrote it and 5 score meaning she did not.
Posted on 9/19/16 at 12:08 pm to caliegeaux
I watched a couple specials on it and it seems like it was the brother. Parents covered it up. Kid was/is a whackjob.
The evidence they found seemed like something a person was trying to frame someone and defend their child would do. Combine that with shoddy police work and you have the result you got.
The evidence they found seemed like something a person was trying to frame someone and defend their child would do. Combine that with shoddy police work and you have the result you got.
Posted on 9/19/16 at 12:10 pm to Lsupimp
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Nope. That's where your theory goes off the tracks.
Sorry, but a woman wrote that note. You think a woman came in to kill or sexually assault a 5 year old?
And whether the words from the 911 call can be determined or not, the tenor of the conversation certainly can. She went from hysterics to a calm tone when she thought the call had ended. And who hangs up on 911 anyway, until the cops arrive?
And then 2 min. later, despite how forceful the letter was about contacting anyone, the mom starts calling friends
And none of that is police botching, I heard the call, read the letter, and saw the call logs. The obvious attempt at misdirection through the letter seals the deal for me (odd misspellings, perfect English despite foreign claims, movie lines from 25 years earlier, time to do a draft and then a re-write, placement on the stairs, specifics of Johns life but not Patsy)
And if there was DNA on JonBenet why was there never matching DNA on a drawer, door knob, stair railing, drawer handle, light switch?
The person was in there for hours snooping around for writing materials and left zero signs? bullshite
Posted on 9/19/16 at 12:13 pm to Lsupimp
Well Pimp, as much as I can deal with just taking your word for it, I think we're all open to hearing how it really went down. 
Posted on 9/19/16 at 12:13 pm to Pax Regis
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It's seems pretty obvious the brother did it and then Mom and Dad covered it up. They lost one child and did not want to make it two. Tough situation.
I didn't watch all of the show that aired last night, but even before it aired, I thought it would be easy to crack a 10 yr old, but there were two things from what I did see last night that convinced me it was an inside job (in which the father had something to do with), was the fact that he quickly found the body when the police decided to start looking for it and how the family requested none of their friends talk to law enforcement.
If they had nothing to do with it and wanted to find out who murdered their daughter, they would want the police to do everything they think would help their investigation.
Obviously they were a very influential family, which pretty much allowed them to get away with murder.
Maybe the son will tell the truth one day, that would be the only way this case will ever get clear answers.
Posted on 9/19/16 at 12:14 pm to caliegeaux
The facts he has are as follows.
The Ramsey's were normal and not violent at all.
Funny he criticizes any theories that point to the parents yet spreads this BS notion that he was an acquaintance of an acquaintance and live nearby therefore he knows what went on behind closed doors in the Ramsey home.
No one knows what the hell went on inside that home. She could have been abused for years by that weirdo brother and or the mom or dad.
The Ramsey's were normal and not violent at all.
Funny he criticizes any theories that point to the parents yet spreads this BS notion that he was an acquaintance of an acquaintance and live nearby therefore he knows what went on behind closed doors in the Ramsey home.
No one knows what the hell went on inside that home. She could have been abused for years by that weirdo brother and or the mom or dad.
This post was edited on 9/19/16 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 9/19/16 at 12:20 pm to JuiceTerry
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I'm just a simpleton, sucked in by all of the sensationalism. I realize that. Only the enlightened realize that an absolute mystery man climbed through a window, hung around the house for several hours while the family was in there, borrowed a pen and a notepad and a paintbrush, etc., wrote a novella, fixed and shared a pineapple with Jonbenet, rigged up a ritualistic garotte, tazed her, kidnapped her, decided not to, knocked her over the head and strangled her, and then left quietly, never to be heard of again.
Not only this but the psycho/torture/killer happened to never kill again
Posted on 9/19/16 at 12:24 pm to beauchristopher
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How does someone know exactly how to break into the house without a trace..
Uh, open a window. Crawl down. Wait.It was Boulder 1996. There was no crime. The backyard is concealed and off an alley.
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Do all those violent things to her.
Very easily, with the labyrinth-like 7000 square foot layout of that house and the fact that the basement is three floors away from the parents bedrooms (basement, first, Kids floor, parent's floor).
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Then take the time to know where to find a pen and a pad.. take more time to write a 2-3 page ransom letter..
Nope. That was likely done impulsively and tauntingly as he waited for the family to return. And he had just enough info and struck just the right tone to make the police focus on The Ramsey's.
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Then stash the body inside the house. I mean really? This would take so much time.. and how would you know how to find such a place in the house with limited time..
Where she was assaulted . In the basement which was a closed room within a larger room. After carrying her down from her room on the second floor, while the parents slept on the floor above. After staking out the home, breaking in when they were home, and waiting for them to return and go to bed. And maybe he wanted to take her out the window but wasnt able to do it/feared being seen outside the home with her.
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It all screams cover up.
Which is what makes it the perfect crime by the intruder. An intruder that was fixated with Jon Benet and had a very specific bind/torture/kill fantasy in play. One who had access to information about his victims and spent many hours in their home.
Posted on 9/19/16 at 12:28 pm to RobbBobb
Why did they try and grow a brain when their daughter's life depended on them not doing that? It's so transparent and ridiculous.
Posted on 9/19/16 at 12:32 pm to fatboydave
To me, only a person who did it on the inside would stash a body inside the house in a hidden area. What would be the point of hiding the body and writing the note. You'd do one or the other. Even if it didn't go to plan, I doubt you'd take the time to write that long note and use sophisticated words and then inaccurate spell others like business. This person seemed too intelligent for all that.. which then seems like someone staging it.
Just too much stuff going on here..
Something happened, they covered it up.. for whatever reason.. but they couldn't risk being seen moving the body out the house and cause more trails/clues.. say in their car or whatnot.. So stash the body inside.. No trails.. and no one sees you.
Even a crazy person, not in their right mind, even a "smart" psycho.. I can't see them taking the time to stash the body in the house.. where it's eventually going to get found any ways.. why not just leave it.. why would you do that.. even a twisted person.. It's just so much stuff going on here to unfold the way it looks.
A sought out attack would seem to be more personally specific. I think they would write "I killed your girl, now suffer" Either they are interested in the money or not.. they never seemed interested in a ransom. This didn't seem like a ransom of any sort at all. This was a death cover up..
And the way the note kept saying John's name.. seemed even more staged. Even referring to him using his southern charm....
Even if things went wrong on a possible ransom.. why would the killer feel the need to still leave that note and why would they take the time to stash the body in the house.. You would leave.. You would just leave.. leave the body wherever you did it.. it doesn't matter at the point.. you still won't be traced without taking her.. and she's going to eventually be found inside the home any ways..
There is no reason to take that extra effort and time to hide the body inside the home.. None.. This person obviously felt quite comfortable just going all throughout the house doing all these events.. heh.. no regard of worrying of being caught.. Hmmmm That's quite a bandit..
Just too much stuff going on here..
Something happened, they covered it up.. for whatever reason.. but they couldn't risk being seen moving the body out the house and cause more trails/clues.. say in their car or whatnot.. So stash the body inside.. No trails.. and no one sees you.
Even a crazy person, not in their right mind, even a "smart" psycho.. I can't see them taking the time to stash the body in the house.. where it's eventually going to get found any ways.. why not just leave it.. why would you do that.. even a twisted person.. It's just so much stuff going on here to unfold the way it looks.
A sought out attack would seem to be more personally specific. I think they would write "I killed your girl, now suffer" Either they are interested in the money or not.. they never seemed interested in a ransom. This didn't seem like a ransom of any sort at all. This was a death cover up..
And the way the note kept saying John's name.. seemed even more staged. Even referring to him using his southern charm....
Even if things went wrong on a possible ransom.. why would the killer feel the need to still leave that note and why would they take the time to stash the body in the house.. You would leave.. You would just leave.. leave the body wherever you did it.. it doesn't matter at the point.. you still won't be traced without taking her.. and she's going to eventually be found inside the home any ways..
There is no reason to take that extra effort and time to hide the body inside the home.. None.. This person obviously felt quite comfortable just going all throughout the house doing all these events.. heh.. no regard of worrying of being caught.. Hmmmm That's quite a bandit..
This post was edited on 9/19/16 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 9/19/16 at 12:32 pm to Lsupimp
Speaking of preposterous theory that you completely make up.
Posted on 9/19/16 at 12:39 pm to Lsupimp
quote:OK. This part.. So who was he? Sounds like you're saying a friend/employee of the family.
Which is what makes it the perfect crime by the intruder. An intruder that was fixated with Jon Benet and had a very specific bind/torture/kill fantasy in play. One who had access to information about his victims and spent many hours in their home.
Posted on 9/19/16 at 12:40 pm to Lsupimp
quote:Answer me this question... why would a kidnapper write a ransom note when the kid was already dead? Even if he killed her already, why would he not take her out of the house so that she appears to have been taken alive? Or if he botched it, why not just get the hell out of there instead of sitting down and writing an overly-elaborate note?
Nope. That's where your theory goes off the tracks. Most people stop there, as you did. Your conclusion is based on a faulty premise.
The whole idea that someone sneaked into the house, went upstairs, took her out of bed, ate some pineapple with her, hit her in the head, tied her up, molested her, strangled her with a garrote, wrapped her up with blankets, went back into the kitchen to get some paper and a pen, and sat down and started thinking and writing a 2 and a half page ransom note, then specifically requested the $118,000 bonus that John Ramsey got that year, then placed the note on the stairs and got out of there undetected is absolutely absurd.
No trace left behind. Fingerprints on the pineapple bowl and cup were of the mom and brother. No fingerprints at all on the Ramsey's flashlight sitting on the counter (which shows it was wiped down), only the parents fingerprints on the basement door knobs, etc. Undisturbed cobwebs proving that nobody got in through the basement windows.
There is absolutely nothing that points to an outside intruder.
The ransom note sounds right out of Hollywood. The dad calls someone and tells him to get his plane ready and he needs to "get outta here" just 30 minutes after he discovers his dead daughter's body. The 911 phone call where she doesn't even listen to the dispatcher. The fact that the dad said he found his daughter before the lights in the basement were even turned on and considering she was in a blanket...
The whole thing is just phony.
There is no possible way it was anyone but one or more of the family members. I don't know what happened in that house that night, but what I do know is it was not an outside intruder.
This post was edited on 9/19/16 at 12:56 pm
Posted on 9/19/16 at 12:42 pm to LsuTool
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No one knows what the hell went on inside that home. She could have been abused for years by that weirdo brother and or the mom or dad.
It was obviously important to the parents that they appeared like the "perfect" family. There is no such thing as the perfect family so I am sure that had some type of effect on the kids. Behind closed doors they had their problems, like every other family, however; as soon as people came around the kids were expected to be.. Well. perfect.
I didn't realize the dad was married with children before he met the mother, who was only 21 when they met. She was Miss West Virginia and there was something last night that was mentioned, that made it seem as if the beauty pageants JonBenet were in, were more important to her mother than her.
They were a wealthy family who created a certain perception as to the type of family they were, which makes you question.. Was it so important to them because they had something to hide? There is no telling what kind of fricked up secrets they had.
Posted on 9/19/16 at 12:46 pm to Lsupimp
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Nope. That was likely done impulsively and tauntingly as he waited for the family to return.
He knew she was dead. Why leave a ransom note, IN YOUR OWN DAMN HANDWRITING???????????????
Stash the body, wipe everything down, grab the note, and leave
Leaving your handwriting as evidence, destroys the entire notion of him being a ninja otherwise. I mean, c'mon, the whole purpose of the note was misdirection, yet the note gives the PD the singular focus of a handwriting sample
Posted on 9/19/16 at 12:53 pm to beauchristopher
Four stories (including the basement). Dozens of windows. Multiple doors. 7000 square feet plus a cavernous-basement. The perp creeps up, takes the sleeping girl, and kills her in the basement. The main point imho, was the actual act of abducting, torturing and killing her. Everything else was noise. The letter was theater. The BPD seized on that and never budged.
With the 2008 DNA revelations that prompted the Boulder DA to EXONERATE the Ramseys publicly, it was clearly an unknown intruder. That intruder has a "likely hispanic" DNA profile.
I agree with those that believe that the pageant world exposed her to this. I mentioned on previous pages what that person's psychological profile is. Clearly a pedophile who had a very specific psych-sexual fantasy , a fixation on this girl, and the means to carry out his plan.
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OK. This part.. So who was he? Sounds like you're saying a friend/employee of the family.
With the 2008 DNA revelations that prompted the Boulder DA to EXONERATE the Ramseys publicly, it was clearly an unknown intruder. That intruder has a "likely hispanic" DNA profile.
I agree with those that believe that the pageant world exposed her to this. I mentioned on previous pages what that person's psychological profile is. Clearly a pedophile who had a very specific psych-sexual fantasy , a fixation on this girl, and the means to carry out his plan.
Posted on 9/19/16 at 12:54 pm to Lsupimp
I mean, I was all ears. But this shite was worse than any other theory you've been cracking on all day. lol Seriously, like I said, I was not informed on any of this prior to last night. All things pointed to the parents. Don't know the motive of the director. But even watching it last night and not wanting to convict the parents, thinking there was someone else who did it, the parents actions convicted themselves more than anything.
So again, I ask, what are the facts you keep pointing to? Please don't tell me its the theory you just posted? I might start to think you are John Ramsey.
So again, I ask, what are the facts you keep pointing to? Please don't tell me its the theory you just posted? I might start to think you are John Ramsey.
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