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re: WTF happened to JonBenet?
Posted on 9/19/16 at 12:55 pm to Lsupimp
Posted on 9/19/16 at 12:55 pm to Lsupimp
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Which is what makes it the perfect crime by the intruder. An intruder that was fixated with Jon Benet and had a very specific bind/torture/kill fantasy in play. One who had access to information about his victims and spent many hours in their home.
Well that's certainly impressive. I still can't imagine feeling that comfortable in the house (even if big) to sit there and take the time to write out that note.
Why would he stop with the daughter? Why only her? Why not the son too?
The son sure doesn't seem very stable.. Does he have aspergers?
The mom also seemed to always have such staged responses.. even when she said they want find "he or she" whoever did it.. Not sure I often see someone specifically point out he or she, whoever do it.. Technically, that's accurate.. but she seemed to really have staged answers. Didn't seem authentic in the interviews I saw.
We are all speculating though.. and it remains a mystery. I just personally find it highly unlikely they would only target her and so easily get away with it.. without any trace.. but yet go that overboard with leaving behind the things left behind.
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Posted on 9/19/16 at 12:57 pm to RobbBobb
LSUpimp. WOW. Just Wow.
This is just as absurd as the people that thought OJ was innocent.
It was 1996 in a small sleepy town with zero crime. There are ZERO other suspects. When does that happen? Seriously.
If its too good to be true it generally is and the simplest answer is usually the right answer.
Something happened and the parents tried to cover it up. It was either an accident or something more sinister, but the parents def. know more. Not surprising that the mom contracted terminal illness either. It's pretty common for people carrying something like that.
This is just as absurd as the people that thought OJ was innocent.
It was 1996 in a small sleepy town with zero crime. There are ZERO other suspects. When does that happen? Seriously.
If its too good to be true it generally is and the simplest answer is usually the right answer.
Something happened and the parents tried to cover it up. It was either an accident or something more sinister, but the parents def. know more. Not surprising that the mom contracted terminal illness either. It's pretty common for people carrying something like that.
This post was edited on 9/19/16 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 9/19/16 at 1:00 pm to Lsupimp
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Which is what makes it the perfect crime by the intruder. An intruder that was fixated with Jon Benet and had a very specific bind/torture/kill fantasy in play. One who had access to information about his victims and spent many hours in their home.
They are still going to get away with it then in this line of thinking..
There's still no reason to hide the body.. It's going to get found eventually.. what's the point for a possible intruder to stash the body? Why? To try and frame the parents? They could have done a better job at it then.. since they are so comfortable in the home and such a mastermind..
I just don't see the need to then hide the body when there would still be no trace to them.. they would be getting away with it..
Posted on 9/19/16 at 1:00 pm to PrimeTime Money
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Answer me this question... why would a kidnapper write a ransom note when the kid was already dead? Even if he killed her already, why would he not take her out of the house so that she appears to have been taken alive?
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The whole idea that someone sneaked into the house, went upstairs, took her out of bed, ate some pineapple with her, hit her in the head, tied her up, molested her, strangled her with a garrote, wrapped her up with blankets, went back into the kitchen to get some paper and a pen, and sat down and started thinking and writing a 2 and a half page ransom note, then specifically requested the $118,000 bonus that John Ramsey got that year, then placed the note on the stairs and got out of there undetected is absolutely absurd.
Literally nobody with any familiarity with the case has ever proposed that scenario.
The note was written while he waited, while he was in the home and they were at the Xmas party.
The purpose of the note was to cause psychological torture for the family, and to muddy the waters/point the finger back at the Ramseys.
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There is absolutely nothing that points to an outside intruder.
Sure there is, DNA for one. The suitcase and open window next. The grass/weeds under the window grill third. A dead girl, tortured and killed most importantly.
Posted on 9/19/16 at 1:02 pm to Lsupimp
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Uh, open a window. Crawl down. Wait.It was Boulder 1996. There was no crime. The backyard is concealed and off an alley.
Tell me this, why did they find the cobwebs were undisturbed?
This going through the window is just a guess..
Posted on 9/19/16 at 1:03 pm to Lsupimp
Ok, for you, I'll try to see it from your angle.
Let me put myself in the mind of this "intruder".
I pick Christmas night to break into a house with intent to do harm to a six year old. Do I know they are away at another person's house? Perhaps I'm waiting in the bushes and Lo and behold I see the Ramsays all piling into the family minivan leaving home.
Now, I go crawl in a basement window and hang out and wait for the family to come back home.
Then I wait for them all to go to bed, then I go get Jon Benet. I bring her downstairs, wake her up, and eat pineapple with her. All while the parents are just up the stairs. Then I take her to the basement to do all the disgusting things to her.
Ok, now what? I want to frame the family somehow. Let me go back upstairs and write this long ransom note, which would take 20 -30 minutes to write.
Then I'll hide the body deep in the basement cellar.
Ok, now let me just sneak back out the house and go home and back to sleep.
Now it makes sense.
Let me put myself in the mind of this "intruder".
I pick Christmas night to break into a house with intent to do harm to a six year old. Do I know they are away at another person's house? Perhaps I'm waiting in the bushes and Lo and behold I see the Ramsays all piling into the family minivan leaving home.
Now, I go crawl in a basement window and hang out and wait for the family to come back home.
Then I wait for them all to go to bed, then I go get Jon Benet. I bring her downstairs, wake her up, and eat pineapple with her. All while the parents are just up the stairs. Then I take her to the basement to do all the disgusting things to her.
Ok, now what? I want to frame the family somehow. Let me go back upstairs and write this long ransom note, which would take 20 -30 minutes to write.
Then I'll hide the body deep in the basement cellar.
Ok, now let me just sneak back out the house and go home and back to sleep.
Now it makes sense.
Posted on 9/19/16 at 1:05 pm to fatboydave
there are people who actually think the family didn't do it? 
Posted on 9/19/16 at 1:06 pm to Lsupimp
And tell me this, the family couldn't have taken her to the basement to make it look staged as well.
They know about the window as well..
They know about the window as well..
Posted on 9/19/16 at 1:10 pm to Lsupimp
How convenient everything was for this alleged intruder.. Just everything.
And what about the broken glass that would would have been brushed away along with an entering intruder?
Think about it..
Now I don't think there is enough evidence to charge anyone, but I still think it all seems too convenient and too obvious of a cover up.
And what about the broken glass that would would have been brushed away along with an entering intruder?
Think about it..
Now I don't think there is enough evidence to charge anyone, but I still think it all seems too convenient and too obvious of a cover up.
Posted on 9/19/16 at 1:12 pm to caliegeaux
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So again, I ask, what are the facts you keep pointing to? Please don't tell me its the theory you just posted? I might start to think you are John Ramsey
First Mrs pimp informs me Burke is on Dr Phil today. Timing.
DNA evidence exonerates the family.
Tons of circumstantial evidence exonerates the family.
Did you know the Boulder DA officially and publicly exonerated the Ramseys and apologized to them?
And there are only two possibilities, right? Either the family (your poorly-informed view) or a pedophile/sociopath who kills via the classic bind torture/kill criminal profile and who frequently binds his victims. Dr Stone's "level 17" killer:
Level 17
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“Sexually perverse serial murderers Torture-murderers. Murder is the primary motive, following prolonged torture(among the males rape is the primary motive with murder to hide the evidence. Systematic torture is not a primary factor”.
Level 20
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“Torture murderers with torture as the primary motive but in psychopathic personalities.”
Posted on 9/19/16 at 1:14 pm to Lsupimp
quote:This is not the whole story. Here is a question and an answer given by Mark Beckner, the former Boulder Police Chief:
With the 2008 DNA revelations that prompted the Boulder DA to EXONERATE the Ramseys publicly, it was clearly an unknown intruder. That intruder has a "likely hispanic" DNA profile.
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Question: Can you comment on the usefulness of the new DNA testing that apparently exonerated the parents? I read Foreign Faction by James Kolar and he asserts that the DNA in no way exonerates them and, in fact, points to such an odd scenario (6 intruders) as the only possible solution outside of coincidental depositing that the idea that it exonerates the parents is ludicrous. I'd be very interested to see a rebuttal, if there is one.
Beckner's answer: Sorry, I can't provide the rebuttal, as I agree with Jim Kolar. Exonerating anyone based on a small piece of evidence that has not yet been proven to even be connected to the crime is absurd in my opinion. You must look at any case in the totality of all the evidence, circumstances, statements, etc. in coming to conclusions. Mary Lacy, the DA who said the DNA exonerated them made up her mind years before that a mother could not do that to a child, thus the family was innocent. Even though we pointed out that it is not unheard of for mothers do such things.....and you would know that if you just watched the news.
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Another question: What would be some examples of reasonable explanations for where the DNA could come from?
Is "trace DNA" a small enough amount that it could have come from a person at the clothing factory or at the retail store where the clothing was purchased?
Is there any way to know what kind of substance the DNA came from -- like was it from semen, blood, dead skin tissue, or something else?
Beckner's answer: Manufacturing process is one. Interactions with other people is another. Intentional placement is another. Belongs to an intruder is another. Yes, you can often tell where DNA comes from. In this case, it is small enough that it is difficult to tell. CBI thought it was either sweat or saliva.
So just because there was some trace DNA, it does not prove anything at all.
Posted on 9/19/16 at 1:16 pm to Lsupimp
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And there are only two possibilities, right? Either the family (your poorly-informed view) or a pedophile/sociopath who kills via the classic bind torture/kill criminal profile and who frequently binds his victims.
No, there's also the possibility that the family let this "intruder" in because they were pimping out their pageant queen for money, things got out of hand and she's killed (or knocked unconscious then killed) and the family knows they have to cover it up to protect themselves as well as the pedophile/killer.
Hence, the obvious cover up nature of the crime, AND the DNA evidence.
There's just far too much oddness in their behavior to be a straight up intruder killing.
And who the frick gets a random note for their daughter and immediately invites friends over and books a flight out of the country? The frick?
Posted on 9/19/16 at 1:17 pm to Lsupimp
quote:You were just calling out other people for making up stories without evidence... what the hell are you doing right there?
The note was written while he waited, while he was in the home and they were at the Xmas party. The purpose of the note was to cause psychological torture for the family, and to muddy the waters/point the finger back at the Ramseys.
You just made that stuff completely up in your head. You don't know when the note was written specifically. You don't know that someone was in the home when they were at the Christmas party. You don't know what the "true" purpose of the note was.
You don't know any of that. You just made it up in your head.
This post was edited on 9/19/16 at 1:24 pm
Posted on 9/19/16 at 1:18 pm to beauchristopher
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Tell me this, why did they find the cobwebs were undisturbed?
There were cobwebs at some points and not other. This is part of the official record. The window by the grate not only did not have undisturbed cobwebs, but there is a photo taken that day that clearly shows grass/weeds under the grate. Demonstrating that it had recently been opened and closed . And of course, a suitcase on the other side .
Posted on 9/19/16 at 1:19 pm to PrimeTime Money
Her father laid her in the middle of the floor where people were walking through all morning for christ sake. He intentionally tainted the crime scene and all of the evidence.
Posted on 9/19/16 at 1:20 pm to Lsupimp
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your poorly-informed view
lol, well, you'd know a poorly informed view. most of what you've spewed has been just that.
i'm not saying one way or the other because i simply don't know. just that the parents\family acted in a way that they covered something up.
and just curious, with this pedophile/sociopath killer, which in your quoted text refers to as a serial murderer, how many more kids in that area had this done to them in the following year? 3-5 years after? In that area...just curious. Because don't most serial killers do it more than once?
Posted on 9/19/16 at 1:20 pm to beauchristopher
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And what about the broken glass that would would have been brushed away along with an entering intruder?
The window had been broken weeks/months before by John Ramsey and multiple people testified to that, including the housekeeper. Just saying. But I'll keep going if you want.
Posted on 9/19/16 at 1:20 pm to Lsupimp
More sure does seem to point to them than some strange intruder.
The 911 operated said it seemed rehearsed.. which the more I look at it.. it really does.. and what about the 3rd voice?
You sure seem to ignore many things pointing to the family
The 911 operated said it seemed rehearsed.. which the more I look at it.. it really does.. and what about the 3rd voice?
You sure seem to ignore many things pointing to the family
Posted on 9/19/16 at 1:21 pm to Lsupimp
quote:It has been proven that nobody came through that window due to undisturbed spider webs.
Sure there is, DNA for one. The suitcase and open window next. The grass/weeds under the window grill third. A dead girl, tortured and killed most importantly.
The trace DNA found also does not prove anything. Also, there were 6 different DNA profiles on her clothing.
This post was edited on 9/19/16 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 9/19/16 at 1:22 pm to Lsupimp
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Sure there is, DNA for one. The suitcase and open window next. The grass/weeds under the window grill third.
Yet no matching DNA anywhere else, when the killer spent hours in the home. I don't believe you
The window was broken by John months earlier, so he says, yet the maid was never asked to clean up the glass, or arrange for its repair. In fact, it was never repaired. In a millionaires house. I don't believe him
If they were going to stage a break-in they had to make sure it was plausible, so the vent was lifted, window was opened, and suitcase was used by John to make sure someone could get back out that window
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