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re: WTF happened to JonBenet?
Posted on 9/23/16 at 10:29 am to RealityTiger
Posted on 9/23/16 at 10:29 am to RealityTiger
I think it has a lot to do with Burke being too young to be charged in Colorado. The grand jury voted to indict the parents on being involved in some way but the DA still decided not to charge them. Now why the DA decided to go that route is up for debate, but the police and grand jury thought they should be charged. Also strange that they wouldn't give a statement unless the read the police report first and still waited a few months to finally give one. Why else would they not fully cooperate with the investigation if they weren't trying to hide anything? This whole thing is just so strange.
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Posted on 9/23/16 at 10:32 am to Salamander_Wilson
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The case is unsolved because the Boulder PD completely fricked up.
Disagree. If what the CBS show detailed, the grand jury opted for charges against both parents in addition to conspiracy. The conspiracy was for purposely inviting their friends over to run interference, not to mention John Ramsey moving the body while tainting any remaining evidence.
Plus, what other evidence was there to be looked at? The DNA on her panties and clothes was from some mysterious (alleged) Hispanic dude.
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They acted like a bunch of amateurs and did not treat the Ramsey home as a crime scene from the beginning like they should have.
This I agree with you on. They should've secured the scene immediately.
Posted on 9/23/16 at 10:33 am to Soup Sammich
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I think it has a lot to do with Burke being too young to be charged in Colorado
What about Federal civil rights charges?
Posted on 9/23/16 at 11:13 am to LsuTool
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Burke comes out his room while mom is on the phone with 911. He asks "what did u find?" Hoping that he gets an answer of, she's gonna be ok. He's already snapped out of his little temper tantrum fit that he was previously in when he killed her.
I would say that the "What did you find?" was in regard to the ransom note.
They just got off the phone with 911 and told the dispatcher they found a ransom note.
Burke wasn't in on the scheme (at least not at this point) and he just overheard them telling the dispatcher they found a ransom note, so he asks about it.
They tell him "we're not talking to you."
Posted on 9/23/16 at 11:22 am to Salamander_Wilson
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Wasn't it proven that the blow to the head didn't kill her nd that it was the strangulation that did?
This is my main hang up on it being one of the parents.
The blow to the head made her brain dead and she would have been either unconscious or seizing. She would have died regardless of the garrote being applied, but the garrote being applied sped up her death.
There was over an hour between the head blow and the garrote. That leads me to believe there was panic time between the two events.
I know it is hard to think a parent could do something like that, but the garrote actually would have been the easiest way to finish JonBenét's death. A garrote is tied to the neck and applied from behind. He could even have her wrapped up in blankets while he applied it, so he didn't have to see her. He didn't have to do it with his hands directly, he didn't have to look at her while he did it, no bloodshed, nothing needed that they didn't already have inside the house.
Posted on 9/23/16 at 11:23 am to idlewatcher
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They should've secured the scene immediately
Absolutely. Linda Arndt always gets mentioned for screwing things up, but she arrived 2 hours after the 911 call was made and everyone else left after sealing off JB's room. Her account of the morning is pretty chilling...
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"Ten o'clock comes and goes and there's no acknowledgement in the house from anyone that the deadline imposed by the author of the ransom note has come and gone," Arndt said in the same ABC News interview.
By 10:30 a.m., she was still the only officer in the Ramsey home and allegedly called for backup repeatedly, but none arrived.
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At 1:01 p.m., in an attempt to break the mounting tension in the house, Arndt said, she instructed John Ramsey and his friend Fleet White to search the house again and look for anything suspicious, even though it had already been gone through by officers earlier in the morning. According to ABC News, Arndt said she told them not to touch anything and they then headed for the basement. Soon after, there were screams from the basement for an ambulance.
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"I see John Ramsey carrying JonBenét up the last three steps from the basement, and my mind exploded," Arndt told ABC News. "And everything I that I had noted that morning, that stuck out, instantly made sense."
She continued, "JonBenét was clearly dead, and she's been dead for awhile. I ordered him to put JonBenét down, I knelt next to her and I leaned down to her face, and John leaned down opposite me and his was just inches from mine and we had a non-verbal exchange that I'll never forget."
Arndt said in the interview that she instructed John to call 911, and she tucked her gun closely to her and consciously counted the 18 bullets in it.
The interviewer asked Arndt, "You were afraid because you thought the killer was still in the house?"
"I knew it," she replied.
LINK
This post was edited on 9/23/16 at 11:25 am
Posted on 9/23/16 at 11:37 am to nvasil1
Does she ever explain how she "knew it"?
Posted on 9/23/16 at 11:37 am to efrad
I don't buy that.
The dad would not be so sharp and blunt to Burke if he asked what they found in reference to the note.
The dad would be much more consoling and reassuring to Burke in that situation. He wouldn't just blow him aside with a blunt "we're not talking to you"
That's more of a discipline/aggressive type phrase to say to your child. Doesn't fit in this scenario.
It was said because the parents were pissed off and stressed to the max because of what Burke had done
The dad would not be so sharp and blunt to Burke if he asked what they found in reference to the note.
The dad would be much more consoling and reassuring to Burke in that situation. He wouldn't just blow him aside with a blunt "we're not talking to you"
That's more of a discipline/aggressive type phrase to say to your child. Doesn't fit in this scenario.
It was said because the parents were pissed off and stressed to the max because of what Burke had done
Posted on 9/23/16 at 11:40 am to nvasil1
No one mentioning that the deadline had passed is freaking huge circumstantial evidence. Very telling.
Of course no one mentioned it, because it wasn't legit.
If it were the parents' lives would be revolving around a clock and that timeframe of 8-10
Of course no one mentioned it, because it wasn't legit.
If it were the parents' lives would be revolving around a clock and that timeframe of 8-10
Posted on 9/23/16 at 12:12 pm to LsuTool
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That's more of a discipline/aggressive type phrase to say to your child. Doesn't fit in this scenario.
I'm pretty sure if you were in the middle of filing a false report with 911 to cover up your son killing your daughter, you'd be pretty disciplining/aggressive with your son. How does that not fit in?
Posted on 9/23/16 at 12:17 pm to efrad
Eta: I think we're misunderstanding each other
This post was edited on 9/23/16 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 9/23/16 at 12:19 pm to efrad
I don't think Johns original intentions were to contaminate the scene by moving JB's body. The situation just played out for him that way. The Parents IMO fully thought the cops would find the body hours earlier when they searched the house. I dont know if the cops finding the body earlier would of solved this case but that was a huge factor in this case.
Posted on 9/23/16 at 12:33 pm to Salamander_Wilson
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Does she ever explain how she "knew it"?
I haven't watched the whole video at work with the sound on. Arndt has some crazy eyes though.
Posted on 9/23/16 at 12:40 pm to Howyouluhdat
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Bull shite. How the hell could you hear someone scream from next door inside that big arse house lol. Give me a break
uh, she was found in the basement
The basement window was open, and the glass was broken. You stand near an open window and scream in a quiet neighborhood, and if someone is up, they will hear it
Posted on 9/23/16 at 12:57 pm to RobbBobb
Well, you don't know she screamed in the basement. if you subscribe to the Burke did it, parents covered it up theory, she was unconscious in the basement.
But the main thing, among many, that I just don't understand is: why after finding Jon Benet after Burke hit her, he parents didn't just call 911?? She was alive. Why fashion a garrote and finish her off?
They didn't know for sure she would die. Let's say Burke freaked out, hit her, parents call 911, JB either lives or dies. DHS investigates. Parents claim kids rough-housing got out of hand. Case closed and we never ever hear the name Jon Benet Ramsey.
But the main thing, among many, that I just don't understand is: why after finding Jon Benet after Burke hit her, he parents didn't just call 911?? She was alive. Why fashion a garrote and finish her off?
They didn't know for sure she would die. Let's say Burke freaked out, hit her, parents call 911, JB either lives or dies. DHS investigates. Parents claim kids rough-housing got out of hand. Case closed and we never ever hear the name Jon Benet Ramsey.
Posted on 9/23/16 at 1:15 pm to HaveMercy
I'm not going to post a picture of that child's skull but you can look it up. It was opened up and had a crack running down the length of it. It may not have broke her scalp but you can be sure the indention and discoraion was noticeable through her light hair. That combined with how a body reacts after that kind of trauma could very well tell those around that there was no hope. And they may have spent an hour or more investigating the possibility. They knew it would be hours before they even made the 911 call and the strangulation was seen as trying to remove JB's agony and in a way for the others involved.
Posted on 9/23/16 at 1:21 pm to HaveMercy
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why after finding Jon Benet after Burke hit her, he parents didn't just call 911?? She was alive.
Several pathologists, including the Swiss or German guy from the CBS special, apparently agree that her death was due to the skull fracture and the garrotte was more or less a staged prop. Seems plausible to me b/c the top of her skull was literally broken.
Posted on 9/23/16 at 1:22 pm to idlewatcher
Right. It's not exactly a stretch to think that someone could tell things were too foregone for a kid who suffered major brain trauma.
Posted on 9/23/16 at 1:29 pm to efrad
Just as a side note, who is the fricking dipshit(s) going through this whole thread and downvoting just about every reply?
Posted on 9/23/16 at 1:43 pm to WestSideTiger
I don't know. A parent sees a child in serious, physical distress - you'd think the knee-jerk reaction would be let's call 911 and hopefully save her. Not, well, she's probably too far gone to save, so let's stage an elaborate strangulation to protect our shite-smearing psycho son.
Maybe you can see a mother doing that, especially if she has some sort of weirdo competition fixation with the daughter. But a father??? No way. I just don't buy.
If Burke did do it, which I think he did, the parents didn't strangle her. The note and all that BS yes, but they didn't kill her.
ETA There really is no way to know at this point, what her head looked like immediately following the initial blow. Was she seizing, conscious or unconscious? Just no way to know People can be conscious for hours after a terminal, traumatic head injury. The CBS investigation noted that the garroting effected the brain bleed.
Maybe you can see a mother doing that, especially if she has some sort of weirdo competition fixation with the daughter. But a father??? No way. I just don't buy.
If Burke did do it, which I think he did, the parents didn't strangle her. The note and all that BS yes, but they didn't kill her.
ETA There really is no way to know at this point, what her head looked like immediately following the initial blow. Was she seizing, conscious or unconscious? Just no way to know People can be conscious for hours after a terminal, traumatic head injury. The CBS investigation noted that the garroting effected the brain bleed.
This post was edited on 9/23/16 at 1:51 pm
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