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re: WTF happened to JonBenet?
Posted on 9/17/16 at 12:43 pm to East Coast Band
Posted on 9/17/16 at 12:43 pm to East Coast Band
All you guys who know this about the case have a couple of screws loose.
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Posted on 9/17/16 at 12:45 pm to LSU alum wannabe
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I took him to mean that people involved know the name of the family this poster knew
You are correct, that was my point. No surprise that a simple point would be misinterpreted, as this tragic case is a cottage-industry with miles of garbage, misinformation, and "pet-theories" being floated every day. People that entertain themselves on internet murder sites have come to an altogether more fanciful conclusion that is not restricted by fact and/or common sense. A classic over-thinking of a rather bizarre and unlikely crime.
I agree that the child pageant world may have exposed her to stuff that resulted in her death. She was in public "performing" in a public mall just a few days before her murder. I have no doubt in my mind that at some point she became the sexual torture-murder fantasy fixation of a truly demented and relatively-highly-organized pedophile/murderer.
This post was edited on 9/17/16 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 9/17/16 at 12:49 pm to iamAG
To me the strangest thing in this case is why was the ransom demand the exact same amount as the bonus John Ramsey had just received...$118,000 ?
Just a strange coincidence !
Just a strange coincidence !
Posted on 9/17/16 at 12:52 pm to fatboydave
The show I watched on a&e recently said that a Hispanic males dna was found on Jon Benet
Posted on 9/17/16 at 1:13 pm to ElderTiger
People that might have access to the 118k figure:
An Access Graphics employee.
A payroll company employee.
A bank employee.
Somebody with access to John's work computer/email.
A random hacker.
Somebody that went through the trash.
Somebody that saw a check stub.
A careless comment.
As for the "likely-Hispanic" DNA, please look away.That does not fit the narrative.
An Access Graphics employee.
A payroll company employee.
A bank employee.
Somebody with access to John's work computer/email.
A random hacker.
Somebody that went through the trash.
Somebody that saw a check stub.
A careless comment.
As for the "likely-Hispanic" DNA, please look away.That does not fit the narrative.
Posted on 9/17/16 at 1:14 pm to fatboydave
Sorry, but the handwritten note convicts the parents
Who sneaks into a house, kills a child, then moves about looking for a pad, pen, and light in order to construct not only a practice draft of a intelligently constructed, multi-page ransom, highly specific note for a dead child, but re-writes the letter with the EXACT AMOUNT of a bonus paid to the father? And addresses the father by name. And then does not follow-up with a ransom call?
And the parents showed no fear for the childs safe return by immediately calling everyone they knew to come over. They wanted a house full of people when her body was found. The actions depict people who knew that no ransom call was forth coming
And the final nail, Jon Benet was the only murder in the city that year, and she was murdered on December 25th. When most wealthy families are up late playing with toys, and waking early to open gifts??
They wasted way too much time staging a kidnapping, on the most likely day of the year to be caught, if an outsider was in that house
Inside job!
Who sneaks into a house, kills a child, then moves about looking for a pad, pen, and light in order to construct not only a practice draft of a intelligently constructed, multi-page ransom, highly specific note for a dead child, but re-writes the letter with the EXACT AMOUNT of a bonus paid to the father? And addresses the father by name. And then does not follow-up with a ransom call?
And the parents showed no fear for the childs safe return by immediately calling everyone they knew to come over. They wanted a house full of people when her body was found. The actions depict people who knew that no ransom call was forth coming
And the final nail, Jon Benet was the only murder in the city that year, and she was murdered on December 25th. When most wealthy families are up late playing with toys, and waking early to open gifts??
They wasted way too much time staging a kidnapping, on the most likely day of the year to be caught, if an outsider was in that house
Inside job!
Posted on 9/17/16 at 1:18 pm to Lsupimp
Derrick Todd Lee didn't fit the narrative of serial killer either. But I get what you are saying if you rely on the demographics of the city?
Of course Hispanic male has different meaning, could be white, Native American, or African.
Unfortunately I don't think the case will ever be solved. Imo it's a coworker at john's former job who happened to be a pedophile
Of course Hispanic male has different meaning, could be white, Native American, or African.
Unfortunately I don't think the case will ever be solved. Imo it's a coworker at john's former job who happened to be a pedophile
Posted on 9/17/16 at 1:20 pm to fatboydave
Some Puerta Rican guy
Posted on 9/17/16 at 1:24 pm to fatboydave
It was Steve Avery
Posted on 9/17/16 at 1:24 pm to Breesus
She was killed by a guy dressed up in a Santa suit. They will eventually announce this.
Posted on 9/17/16 at 1:24 pm to RobbBobb
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And the final nail, Jon Benet was the only murder in the city that year, and she was murdered on December 25th. When most wealthy families are up late playing with toys, and waking early to open gifts??
She was killed the night of December 25.
Posted on 9/17/16 at 1:26 pm to USMCTiger03
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The cops really fricked it up by focusing so hard on the parents, literally ignoring exonerating evidence and not following up on other leads. Pretty sick as well as incompetent.
Yes, this did happen, and that hurt the chances of solving the case.
Too bad that whenever a child dies like this, the parents are the primary suspects. When a spouse dies, the widow or widower are always the ones first suspected.
Posted on 9/17/16 at 1:27 pm to Lsupimp
First thought is FW PW
But they implicated the Ramseys. So I guess I'll go search your post history.
But they implicated the Ramseys. So I guess I'll go search your post history.
Posted on 9/17/16 at 1:29 pm to cfa626
This is what happens when u have tunnel vision on a case.
Posted on 9/17/16 at 1:30 pm to USMCTiger03
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The cops really fricked it up by focusing so hard on the parents
From what I understand, when the cops were called to the house, the family had already called over their friends, who were already all over the scene. It started out as a kidnapping case then when the dad found her it immediately became a homicide case.
I am sure most people saw the same recent show as I did and people kept saying the police screwed up the investigation big time, but they showed up people were already there so there could have already been tampered evidence. Then the investigation involved trying to find out where she was and who took her then suddenly changed to "we have a body, who killed her".
There was a ransom letter right? I found it interesting the letter was written on paper and with a pen from the family's house. I think the police said it would have taken someone around 15mins to write the letter and questioned why someone would wait until they got to the scene to write the letter instead of writing it before committing the crime.
And if someone did write a ransom letter because they were seeking some type of payout, why would they kill her and leave her in the basement of the house? There seemed to be some odd behavior with the son, but he was young and it seemed it would have been easy to crack him if he knew anything. Whatever happened, something shady happened.
Posted on 9/17/16 at 1:47 pm to RobbBobb
The killer was likely in the home for hours while The Ramsey's attended the Christmas Party. The house is a huge, rambling home. Plenty of places to hide (basement). The note was written before her murder while the killer explored the home and waited. And he did INTEND to kidnap her. That's what the suitcase in the basement and the note imply. But for whatever reason some time between when he placed the letter and she was killed, this became unfeasible, so he killed her while he could and fled through the basement window. His end game was the torture/sexual-murder of the child, not a kidnapping for money.
They called the police and their friends.Most people call the police and family/trusted friends when confronted with a ransom note. They were in shock. White and Fernie came over on their own accord as concerned friends would. If they thought the child was not in the home it would be logical that they would be there as support.
There were about five murders in the previous decade plus in The city of Boulder. Robert Redford's daughter's boyfriend being the most high profile. I knew one of those (later classified an accidental death-shot accidentally from an adjoining apartment) The date signifies nothing other than the randomness of life and the psychology of the perpetrator. I have always thought the date coincided with the murderer's ability to be away and out of sight from whomever he was accountable to-like his employer. The timing also allows for cars to be parked and people to walk about without drawing notice.
And Minnesota fan-close. B & J F.
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And the parents showed no fear for the childs safe return by immediately calling everyone they knew to come over. They wanted a house full of people when her body was found. The actions depict people who knew that no ransom call was forth coming
They called the police and their friends.Most people call the police and family/trusted friends when confronted with a ransom note. They were in shock. White and Fernie came over on their own accord as concerned friends would. If they thought the child was not in the home it would be logical that they would be there as support.
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And the final nail, Jon Benet was the only murder in the city that year, and she was murdered on December 25th. When most wealthy families are up late playing with toys, and waking early to open gifts??
There were about five murders in the previous decade plus in The city of Boulder. Robert Redford's daughter's boyfriend being the most high profile. I knew one of those (later classified an accidental death-shot accidentally from an adjoining apartment) The date signifies nothing other than the randomness of life and the psychology of the perpetrator. I have always thought the date coincided with the murderer's ability to be away and out of sight from whomever he was accountable to-like his employer. The timing also allows for cars to be parked and people to walk about without drawing notice.
And Minnesota fan-close. B & J F.
This post was edited on 9/17/16 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 9/17/16 at 1:58 pm to Lsupimp
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That's what the suitcase in the basement and the note imply.
uh, the suitcase was placed there as a step up. Because no one small enough to squeeze through that window was going to be able to get himself and a kid up that wall without a step. And John, the engineer would know that
Again, NO ONE takes the time to write a ransom note on the scene. You bring it before hand so that you can make a quick exit, if required
Posted on 9/17/16 at 2:01 pm to Lsupimp
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Lsupimp
Do you think the behavior of the son was over exaggerated? There is the theory he had something to do with it, but at the age he was when it happened, I can't imagine him being able to keep any type of secret that involved his sister being killed.
Posted on 9/17/16 at 2:11 pm to fatboydave
Michael Helgoth murdered her.
Posted on 9/17/16 at 2:15 pm to OweO
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Do you think the behavior of the son was over exaggerated? There is the theory he had something to do with it, but at the age he was when it happened, I can't imagine him being able to keep any type of secret that involved his sister being killed.
Are you talking about his current behavior in the interview? That's one fricked up guy, but how could you not be. Sister murdered, mother dies of cancer, and you are publicly convicted of the crime. Hidden from the world like a serial killers kids.
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