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re: WTF happened to JonBenet?
Posted on 9/19/16 at 9:34 am to LsuTool
Posted on 9/19/16 at 9:34 am to LsuTool
The strangulation was staged.
Making a garrote was not necessary. Also, that was a pretty nice knot on the garrote. You know who can make knots? Sailors can make knots.
John was in the Navy for 8 years.
Making a garrote was not necessary. Also, that was a pretty nice knot on the garrote. You know who can make knots? Sailors can make knots.
John was in the Navy for 8 years.
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Posted on 9/19/16 at 9:42 am to LsuTool
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Strangulation is pretty intense.
Not if the person is already braindead.
Posted on 9/19/16 at 9:49 am to PrimeTime Money
Weren't there ligature marks all on her throat?
Posted on 9/19/16 at 10:15 am to LsuTool
I'm watching a replay of that CBS investigation show from last night and they issued an local Amber alert during the second hour looking for a blonde haired, blue eyed 6 year old girl. 
Posted on 9/19/16 at 10:15 am to Howyouluhdat
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Waiting for you to come back into this discussion and explain away all of the recent findings.
That's rich. Recent. I think you mean "sensationalized" or "narrative-driven" or "show-business-oriented". I understand my position is unpopular. You old boys literally watched a CBS entertainment show, adopted their POV and now it's gospel. I already told you what I think happened and then some intellectually-dishonest guy starts in with all the lazy and dishonest Strawmen about them being "rich white people" and it's just no longer worth the effort. I can tell you what I think based on 20 years of following the case, being there at the time, knowing many of the principles, knowing the landscape, applying the evidence and criminal profiling, but I literally do not have the time in my life to respond to Straw Men . I stated my opinion many pages ago.
FTR, I believed they were guilty initially (like for the first two years) but as I educated myself, it became painfully obvious I was wrong. Mrs. Pimp as well. We had to admit to ourselves that we were wrong. But you can't argue or dissuade a cottage industry that is entrenched and emotional as this. People are going to follow their confirmation bias and others are going to try to get you to defend arguments they created and that you never made, as the semi-hysterical douche on this thread did over and over again.
Posted on 9/19/16 at 10:16 am to LsuTool
Everything falls into place for the Ramsey's to be responsible but I just want to know who sexually molested her??
Posted on 9/19/16 at 10:16 am to LsuTool
from what i gathered, and all of this was the first time i saw anything in detail about the story because I was overseas from 94-96 with no internet.
someone above said it best. gives all the appearances of an inside job (brother by accident) and the family decided to cover it up to avoid shame, embarrassment, ridicule, media etc....and someone else said, they had just lost 1 child and were not going to lose another.
now, when i was watching it with my wife and son, i did ask myself, what is the motive of the producer, because every single thing the investigative team did and said pointed to the parents, or destroyed the parents answers, or reasoning, or logic.but then again, maybe it was just that much evidence against them.
the phone call was compelling. the note was odd. the dad's behavior the morning of was unusual. him finding the body that quickly was odd. placing it on the floor, then moving it, then moving it again, all just peculiar.
then again, i've never found my dead daughter so i don't know how i'd act. very strange set of circumstances all around, but i'd have to say there was some cover up involved.
someone above said it best. gives all the appearances of an inside job (brother by accident) and the family decided to cover it up to avoid shame, embarrassment, ridicule, media etc....and someone else said, they had just lost 1 child and were not going to lose another.
now, when i was watching it with my wife and son, i did ask myself, what is the motive of the producer, because every single thing the investigative team did and said pointed to the parents, or destroyed the parents answers, or reasoning, or logic.but then again, maybe it was just that much evidence against them.
the phone call was compelling. the note was odd. the dad's behavior the morning of was unusual. him finding the body that quickly was odd. placing it on the floor, then moving it, then moving it again, all just peculiar.
then again, i've never found my dead daughter so i don't know how i'd act. very strange set of circumstances all around, but i'd have to say there was some cover up involved.
Posted on 9/19/16 at 10:24 am to momentoftruth87
He was a little kid at the time, what could he know? The person that questioned him said he was very relaxed and honest, because he thought his sister just wandered away or was hiding.
Posted on 9/19/16 at 10:35 am to SouljaBreauxTellEm
I think the son was messing around with Jon Benet. Touching her and stuff, and he probably did it a lot and had been caught/told on several times. This time he did it and Jonbenet was going to tell on him again and he didn't want to get in trouble again. He smacked her head with the flashlight. Realized what he had done and told the parents something happened to her. They realized she was dead/dying and did all of the rest. This makes complete sense and jibes with the end of the 911 call. "We're not talking to you!" and the kids "What DID you find?" Mystery solved.
Posted on 9/19/16 at 10:42 am to JuiceTerry
You missed your calling, Terry. You would have made a great OJ juror. Just dispense with the actual evidence in favor of a preposterous theory that you just completely make up over your morning Saban-like Little Debbie and chai.
Completely non-factual, out-of-your-arse, magical thinking theories are fun.
And a fine substitute for the truth.
You keep being you, Terry.
Completely non-factual, out-of-your-arse, magical thinking theories are fun.
And a fine substitute for the truth.
You keep being you, Terry.
Posted on 9/19/16 at 10:44 am to JuiceTerry
I thought about that scenario too. Hell maybe the dad was doing shite too.
That brother looks like a creepy pedo that's for sure.
That brother looks like a creepy pedo that's for sure.
Posted on 9/19/16 at 10:48 am to Lsupimp
Are you a paid shill of the family or something?
The mom clearly wrote the ransom note. From there, deduce what you will as to what actually specifically happened, but at that point you can rule out someone from outside of the family.
The mom clearly wrote the ransom note. From there, deduce what you will as to what actually specifically happened, but at that point you can rule out someone from outside of the family.
Posted on 9/19/16 at 10:54 am to Tigertracks
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The "professional" investigators on these shows are making lots of suppositions, presenting conjecture as facts.
Sure, I agree that the show seems to be simply looking into everything from the angle of the parents already being guilty.
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There is not a shred of anything in that family's background that indicates any possibility they could have been involved in such a gruesome crime. The idea that the parents could have staged the crime scene is ludicrous. These types of crimes are always committed by psychologically twisted, not by stable mentally healthy people.
Speaking of presenting conjecture as fact...
Posted on 9/19/16 at 11:00 am to Dick Leverage
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I think the brother bashed her head with the flashlight and a cover up ensued. But why cover up? Why go through all that to cover for a 10 year old boy who would never have been put in prison for the crime? I think it had to do with protecting the image of the family and the boys future. They didn't want to be known as the family with the "crazy" murder kid and they wanted to protect him from being institutionalized for years. Basically just a coverup to avoid shame and embarrassment.
If the brother did do it, under normal circumstances I agree that they wouldn't have had to cover it up.
There may be a difference here though if there was a specific reason the parents didn't want the police to think they were the only people with access to JonBenét. For example, if someone in the household had sexually abused JonBenét and they gave her straight to the police telling them that Burke hit her on accident, the police would discover the sexual trauma in the autopsy. So the cover up might have not been intended to just cover up Burke. Of course this is all conjecture and we don't have a specific reason to believe that anyone in the household was sexually abusing JonBenét, though we can't rule it out as a potential situation either.
Posted on 9/19/16 at 11:03 am to JuiceTerry
I'm sold. lol
Posted on 9/19/16 at 11:06 am to Lsupimp
I'm just a simpleton, sucked in by all of the sensationalism. I realize that. Only the enlightened realize that an absolute mystery man climbed through a window, hung around the house for several hours while the family was in there, borrowed a pen and a notepad and a paintbrush, etc., wrote a novella, fixed and shared a pineapple with Jonbenet, rigged up a ritualistic garotte, tazed her, kidnapped her, decided not to, knocked her over the head and strangled her, and then left quietly, never to be heard of again.
Posted on 9/19/16 at 11:08 am to Cooter Davenport
He's just very emotionally invested because "he knew someone who knew someone" very close to a national media frenzy. He refuses step back and look at it objectively. Its like the woman who makes excuses for the guy who is punching her face in.
I'm not saying for 100% certainty the parents\family did it. But I am saying that they did a lot of things that made them look guilty. Sometimes things are just a coincidence. Sometimes it is just what it is.
I'm not saying for 100% certainty the parents\family did it. But I am saying that they did a lot of things that made them look guilty. Sometimes things are just a coincidence. Sometimes it is just what it is.
This post was edited on 9/19/16 at 11:12 am
Posted on 9/19/16 at 11:28 am to caliegeaux
[quote]not saying for 100% certainty the parents\family did it. But I am saying that they did a lot of things that made them look guilty.[/quote
I haven't paid much attention to the case, until now- just assumed it was the family and they escaped prosecution dut to a bungled investigation.
I did watch most of the special that the ID channel aired last week and it did raise some questions. First and foremost, the DNA on her panties that remains unidentified and then the stun gun - no stun gun was found in the home - who has a stun gun lying around? A lot of questions need answering and I doubt very seriously we ever know what happened. True the parents acted odd - the ID program showed parts of their police interviews and they were strange.
I do know two things for sure: Burke is the spitting-image of his mother and this case would make a hell of a good mini-series similar the the OJ case.
This post was edited on 9/19/16 at 11:37 am
Posted on 9/19/16 at 11:48 am to fatboydave
Think about this.
How does someone know exactly how to break into the house without a trace..
Do all those violent things to her.. (I believe staged) only there to harm her.. no one else in the house..
Then take the time to know where to find a pen and a pad.. take more time to write a 2-3 page ransom letter..
Then stash the body inside the house. I mean really? This would take so much time.. and how would you know how to find such a place in the house with limited time..
Think about ALL those events having to go down, while everyone else is home.. and to be able to do all those things and exit without any real trace..
This is such an inside job of some sort. Some sort of coverup.. It all screams cover up.
This was on Christmas too?? Seems more likely something with family going on at that time.
Seems to me something happened and they went out of their way to try and put it on something else.. the note.. and then the other methods added to killing her.. she probably died some other way and then they tried to make it look even worse..
When I watch the mom in interviews, she just comes off as so fake. Even in the initial 911 call, she seemed genuinely upset, however she then just kept screaming and never even returned back to the phone.. she put on her act and just stuck to it.. without even caring to answer any other questions.. then they said there was talking among 3 people.. Yet they claimed the boy was "sound asleep" and would not have woken up.. Why would they say that.. Like there was no chance he would have woken up.. I believe he was up and possibly the third voice.
How does someone know exactly how to break into the house without a trace..
Do all those violent things to her.. (I believe staged) only there to harm her.. no one else in the house..
Then take the time to know where to find a pen and a pad.. take more time to write a 2-3 page ransom letter..
Then stash the body inside the house. I mean really? This would take so much time.. and how would you know how to find such a place in the house with limited time..
Think about ALL those events having to go down, while everyone else is home.. and to be able to do all those things and exit without any real trace..
This is such an inside job of some sort. Some sort of coverup.. It all screams cover up.
This was on Christmas too?? Seems more likely something with family going on at that time.
Seems to me something happened and they went out of their way to try and put it on something else.. the note.. and then the other methods added to killing her.. she probably died some other way and then they tried to make it look even worse..
When I watch the mom in interviews, she just comes off as so fake. Even in the initial 911 call, she seemed genuinely upset, however she then just kept screaming and never even returned back to the phone.. she put on her act and just stuck to it.. without even caring to answer any other questions.. then they said there was talking among 3 people.. Yet they claimed the boy was "sound asleep" and would not have woken up.. Why would they say that.. Like there was no chance he would have woken up.. I believe he was up and possibly the third voice.
Posted on 9/19/16 at 11:49 am to Cooter Davenport
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Are you a paid shill of the family or something?
I just respond rationally to The Mob when the pitchforks and torches come out. It's not personal, it's just that I prefer Truth to Narrative.
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The mom clearly wrote the ransom note.
Nope. That's where your theory goes off the tracks. Most people stop there, as you did. Your conclusion is based on a faulty premise.
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He's just very emotionally invested because "he knew someone who knew someone" very close to a national media frenzy. He refuses step back and look at it objectively. Its like the woman who makes excuses for the guy who is punching her face in.
When I was emotionally invested and viewing the facts through PD leaks and media with a narrative to pitch, I thought they were guilty. Almost everybody in Boulder did because the BPD and DA were leaking speculation to various media people every day.Peter Boyles, a local radio host, devoted two hours a day to convicting the Ramseys and mocking anybody who disagreed.
But when I (and many others) looked at the facts of the case DISPASSIONATELY in all their contradictory detail,over many years, I realized an intruder killed Jon Benet. The Ramseys are neither that violent, psychologically deranged, cunning or intelligent enough to pull it off. These are simple people, folks. This was a psycho-sexual murder with all the hallmarks of bind/torture/murder sociopathy. Including the need to psychologically torture and taunt the victim's family.Which is what the ransom note was. But you guys watch two hours of entertainment on CBS and you have solved the case, so somehow I'm the one that is a shill and emotional. It's like bizarro-upside-down-world up in here.
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