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re: Cougar
Posted on 8/9/10 at 1:23 am to choupiquesushi
Posted on 8/9/10 at 1:23 am to choupiquesushi
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better go dig and see who was really pushing that.. the biologists did not want that many....
I know who wanted it. LDWF and the powers that be could have prevented it so go spank your own arse.
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Posted on 8/9/10 at 3:43 am to geauxbrown
quote:I hit it at night in a convertible sports car. The damn thing just leaped almost cleared my hood and I hit it on the arse end on my left bumper area. Left a huge dent in that fender. My brain had trouble computing what I had just seen. You don't expect to see a cat that large. I drove about a mile more to get to my house and returned with my friend in his pickup truck with guns. Didn't see anything. Friend thought I was full of shite.
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I hit one with my car in 1997, Union Parish.
Pics or get the hell out..............
Fast forward to the following weekend. My cousin comes up for a hunting trip. He tells us, be careful when you are walking through the woods because they have seen a couple of big cats with babies. He called them Pumas
This post was edited on 8/9/10 at 3:45 am
Posted on 8/9/10 at 7:26 am to windriver
quote:
I know who wanted it. LDWF and the powers that be could have prevented it so go spank your own arse.
wrong.. a couple of powerful lake property owners wanted a swimming pool not a bass fishing lake -
LDWF wanted enough carp to control the grass -
a handful of property owners wanted enough carp to eradicate the grass.
Like often happens at LDWF politics overuled biology. of course after the lake went downhill the property owners responsible and the LDWF commissioner that backed them and bulled the fisheries biologists - were like the grass - nowhere to be found.
Posted on 8/9/10 at 7:32 am to reveille
A couple of comments:
Usually cougars refer to the western ranging cats, panthers to the easter ranging (Florida) cats. Same species either way. Some will argue on the subspecies. There was an introduction of western cats into the eastern population that upset some people because they said the easterns (panthers) avoided humans while the westerns (cougars) were more apt to be unafraid--and some argued more agressive.
I've done some studying on the history of cougars/jaguars/jaguarundi/bobcats/ocelots in the southeast. The black cats y'all are seeing might a jaguarundi, which were historically actually indigenous to the Texas/Louisiana coast along with the ocelot. The ocelot is unmistakably an ocelot by the coat, but the jaguarundi has a few different color phases, and 1 is black (or very dark brown). There have been several cougars sighted (and a few shot) in Louisiana. There is no doubt they are there. Oklahoma, Arkansas and Texas too. Even Georgia.
There actually used to be jaguars in the southeast/southwest US that existed the same time as cougars, and the cougars tended towards smaller game when the jaguars were present. In theory, this should happen with cougars/jaguarundi if they are both present with the jaguarundi hunting in the day and getting smaller prey. If a jaguar was around, it would be pretty obvious as they tend towards skull kills on mammals (like us), and can crack turtle shells with their bite. Cougars aren't likely to attack if you do the obvious (don't back down or run, make a lot of noise) but with a jaguar, you are on your own....good luck.
Losing dogs could also be coyotes, if they pack up in your area. We have them on the mountains here that don't pack up, and in the valleys that do, from what I've seen.
As far as hunting them, why do it? They keep the deer more alert and healthy, will take down bobcats and coyotes for free (especially female cougars) and remove feral cats and dogs quickly. No charge. The downside is that your dogs gotta pack up if you let them run, or one might get taken out. The guineas are easy pickings for just about anything, too. Just enjoy your apex predator...closest thing to a tiger we'll probably ever see in the wild.
Usually cougars refer to the western ranging cats, panthers to the easter ranging (Florida) cats. Same species either way. Some will argue on the subspecies. There was an introduction of western cats into the eastern population that upset some people because they said the easterns (panthers) avoided humans while the westerns (cougars) were more apt to be unafraid--and some argued more agressive.
I've done some studying on the history of cougars/jaguars/jaguarundi/bobcats/ocelots in the southeast. The black cats y'all are seeing might a jaguarundi, which were historically actually indigenous to the Texas/Louisiana coast along with the ocelot. The ocelot is unmistakably an ocelot by the coat, but the jaguarundi has a few different color phases, and 1 is black (or very dark brown). There have been several cougars sighted (and a few shot) in Louisiana. There is no doubt they are there. Oklahoma, Arkansas and Texas too. Even Georgia.
There actually used to be jaguars in the southeast/southwest US that existed the same time as cougars, and the cougars tended towards smaller game when the jaguars were present. In theory, this should happen with cougars/jaguarundi if they are both present with the jaguarundi hunting in the day and getting smaller prey. If a jaguar was around, it would be pretty obvious as they tend towards skull kills on mammals (like us), and can crack turtle shells with their bite. Cougars aren't likely to attack if you do the obvious (don't back down or run, make a lot of noise) but with a jaguar, you are on your own....good luck.
Losing dogs could also be coyotes, if they pack up in your area. We have them on the mountains here that don't pack up, and in the valleys that do, from what I've seen.
As far as hunting them, why do it? They keep the deer more alert and healthy, will take down bobcats and coyotes for free (especially female cougars) and remove feral cats and dogs quickly. No charge. The downside is that your dogs gotta pack up if you let them run, or one might get taken out. The guineas are easy pickings for just about anything, too. Just enjoy your apex predator...closest thing to a tiger we'll probably ever see in the wild.
Posted on 8/9/10 at 7:50 am to choupiquesushi
That was funny.
I thought about that after I posted it.
If you have any chinese in the area, it didn't stand a chance.
I thought about that after I posted it.
If you have any chinese in the area, it didn't stand a chance.
Posted on 8/9/10 at 8:51 am to brass2mouth
quote:
Always had to be strapped if you were in the woods for any reason,
Thinking about that cat hunting you, would keep you on high alert all the time.
This post was edited on 8/9/10 at 9:05 am
Posted on 8/9/10 at 8:55 am to Prolate Spheroid
quote:A buddy of mine saw a blonde phase Bigfoot walking across a right of way in Lasalle Parish.
I think is going to apply to the whole Bigfoot/skunk ape thing as well as other wilderness legends...
Posted on 8/9/10 at 8:59 am to Coach Klein
quote:
If these Jaguars had been in LA at one point in time then I do not see why it wouldn't be possible for them to have created a mixed litter with a Cougar
Nope. Talking about two different genera in this case. Even if they somehow happened to mate, the resulting offspring would be sterile. The tiger/lion hybrid is sterile, and that's the mating of two species in the same genus. Fun story, but hybridization like that does not, or very rarely, happen(s) in the wild for a reason.
Edit: Apparently female hybrids can be fertile, but their offspring are pretty weak at birth.
This post was edited on 8/9/10 at 9:16 am
Posted on 8/9/10 at 9:05 am to AlxTgr
quote:
People report black panthers because they either are lying, or they saw something that looked black but was not. In low light, a cougar's fur could very well look black. I've seen deer that I thought were black in low light. Not only do black panthers not exist, they never have.
Exactly right. Eyewitness testimony can be very unreliable. People see what they want to see, just like the famous "invisible gorilla" test. LINK
Posted on 8/9/10 at 11:08 am to choupiquesushi
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wrong.. a couple of powerful lake property owners wanted a swimming pool not a bass fishing lake -
Like I said, I KNOW who wanted it.... it was the Ewing's and a couple of MD's. The LDWF knew, or should have known, that releasing that many carp was stupid.
I know money controls the government...thats really my point. My family owned 40 acres on the meander line of the lake. I shot more than a few good bucks on that tract of land. Maybe I should go to the poli board.
Posted on 8/9/10 at 11:21 am to windriver
wr, ain't worth it..
Posted on 8/9/10 at 11:22 am to windriver
we are both right windriver..
but the folks that knew better at LDWF - KNEW not to release that many... they were ignored... and for all practical purposes that lake has never been the same..
but the folks that knew better at LDWF - KNEW not to release that many... they were ignored... and for all practical purposes that lake has never been the same..
Posted on 8/9/10 at 11:28 am to Sasquatch Smash
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"invisible gorilla" test. LINK
I got it right and saw the gorilla!
Posted on 8/9/10 at 11:36 am to windriver
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This happened in Sikes, LA circa 1965......I was sitting on my honda 90 smoking a Kent cigarette I stole from my mother.
Honda 90s weren't sold until 1969.
quote:
The world's first ATV, Honda's three-wheel US90, was introduced to America in 1969. The US90, later renamed the All-Terrain Cycle 90 (ATC) in 1971, was powered by an 89cc four-stroke single-cylinder engine that sent its 7-horsepower through a dual-range four-speed gearbox with automatic clutch.
Both my parents and both sets of grandparents grew up around Sikes. We still own land and lease a hunting club near Sikes. I have never heard of a report of someone seeing a cougar in that area.
There are cougars in Louisiana. I believe what the wildlife position was that there was no "breeding population". Most of those seen in state are in fact animals that have been released by people. I myself saw two small cougars in the back of a pickup in West Monroe twenty years ago that someone had caught in Colorado. I wonder where those cougars ended up. Reminds me of the time I saw a group of about ten mountain goats cross a highway. Turns out they had escaped from a nearby farm enclosure.
As mentioned numerous times, there are no black cougars, period. Anyone who said they saw one is either lying, mistaken about the color they saw, or saw another animal. Except this one:
I believe a lot of people mistake large bobcats for cougars. Also, a lot of people report "screams", when I think they are mistaken. What good does it do for a cougar to go around screaming while it is hunting? Is it getting the prey fair warning. I think a lot of cougar "screams" are the calls of other animals or hawks.
This post was edited on 8/9/10 at 11:38 am
Posted on 8/9/10 at 11:40 am to TigerDeacon
That is a VERY LARGE feral house cat.
Posted on 8/9/10 at 11:42 am to glassman
That sucker is MEAN too. An older cousin caught him in a raccoon trap once. My cousin was trying to catch the raccoons that were eating the corn out of his hog trap. The cat's ears were gone. My cousin drove him about ten miles away and let him go. The cat was back within two days.
Posted on 8/9/10 at 11:48 am to TigerDeacon
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That sucker is MEAN too.
That cat is over twenty pounds and can kick some serious arse.
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