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re: Official AR-15 thread
Posted on 6/12/21 at 11:02 am to GhostofLesticleMiles
Posted on 6/12/21 at 11:02 am to GhostofLesticleMiles
quote:So, I did decide to pick something up.
If you are in no hurry, just be patient. You will find a good deal. The days of the $30 Blem stripped lower will return in my opinion.
PSA came out with their blemished pistol complete lowers for $132 with a blade brace, which seems like about as good as it will get for now.
I could wait longer, but with the ATF considering making changes with the brace rules, I worried that things might go back up in price. And I wanted at least one pistol lower, in the event I wanted to ever pick up some pistol uppers.
I also went ahead and grabbed a BCA 10.5" .556 upper, with a side charger (Gen 2). Same price for .556 and 7.62x39, I was going back and forth on the two. Will probably get the other soon enough down the road.
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Posted on 6/12/21 at 4:22 pm to Scoob
quote:
I also went ahead and grabbed a BCA 10.5" .556 upper, with
WTH? I just looked this up, why is it so crazy cheap?
Posted on 6/12/21 at 5:43 pm to OldSouth
ATF has published proposed rules that would make most AR pistols reclassified as short barreled rifles. There’s a thread in it
Posted on 6/12/21 at 7:12 pm to OldSouth
quote:I guess it's because it has the reciprocating side charger, instead of the more common rear charger and handle. Makes it a bit more PITA to break down and clean, since you'll need an allen wrench to remove the handle and rear plug.quote:
I also went ahead and grabbed a BCA 10.5" .556 upper, with
WTH? I just looked this up, why is it so crazy cheap?
I have one of their rear-charging 7.62x39 16" uppers, very pleased with it. I did have to buy an enhanced firing pin ($11), and I picked up some extra extractors. It now is 100% on steel Tula.
Posted on 6/13/21 at 10:41 am to Scoob
Got the Radian builders kit in on Friday and put it together last night. This was ordered from modern warriors. They were great btw.
Looks great at least to me and feels extremely rigid and tight.
Put a criterion 16” barrel on it with a superlative arms adjustable gas block on it.
Trigger tech trigger.
Found a Surefire light that is sitting on it as well.
Putting a nightforce nx8 1-8x24 on it when it gets in next week.
The hand guard is 15.5” with a 16” barrel.
Only concern I have at this point is I’m not sure my Sandman (in jail) is going to fit on it. If I have to run it unsuppressed I guess I will but may call radian and see what they say about it.
It’s light as well. Just under 7.5lbs without mag.
Looks great at least to me and feels extremely rigid and tight.
Put a criterion 16” barrel on it with a superlative arms adjustable gas block on it.
Trigger tech trigger.
Found a Surefire light that is sitting on it as well.
Putting a nightforce nx8 1-8x24 on it when it gets in next week.
The hand guard is 15.5” with a 16” barrel.
Only concern I have at this point is I’m not sure my Sandman (in jail) is going to fit on it. If I have to run it unsuppressed I guess I will but may call radian and see what they say about it.
It’s light as well. Just under 7.5lbs without mag.
Posted on 6/13/21 at 1:13 pm to bbvdd
I got 1/8” between the edge of my handguard and the end of my brake, and the Sandman just clears it. I’d say any less space than that and it won’t mount.
This post was edited on 6/13/21 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 6/13/21 at 2:27 pm to tommy2tone1999
quote:Ok- so I seem to have maybe made a mistake, then
ATF has published proposed rules that would make most AR pistols reclassified as short barreled rifles. There’s a thread in it
Couple quick questions for the board:
1) will a 10.5" barrel pass the proposed new rules? Or does that already make it too long?
2) the lower- it says milspec buffer. Brace says 'adjustable'. Doesn't have a strap, but does have slots for a strap.
It certainly appears to be a "fin-type".
*looking at the proposed worksheet, I am figuring that with the added strap, it would slip in with a 3 on Section II:
quote:
Minimized Rear Surface lacking features to discourage shouldering 1
quote:
Adjustable or telescoping attachment designed for shouldering 2
quote:
“Fin- type” design WITH Arm Strap 0
Which then gets us to Section III:
quote:
Adjustable Rifle Buffer Tube 1
and then, the big question-
quote:
LENGTH OF PULL - w/Accessory in Rear most “Locked Position” * Measured from the center of the trigger to the center of the shoulder device / “stabilizing brace”
Less than 10-1/2 Inches 0
10-1/2 but under 11-1/2 Inches 1
11-1/2 but under 12-1/2 Inches 2
12-1/2 but under 13-1/2 Inches 3
13-1/2 Inches and Over 4
I don't know what the length of pull will be. But as I read it, if I can slip through to this point, a set of fixed iron sights (not flip-ups) finishes it without another hit (RIGHT?).
Posted on 6/13/21 at 2:55 pm to Scoob
Even if you pass on the very vague points criteria there is this, the ATF has a disclaimer in the "NOTE:" section at the top of the score sheet that basically says if they feel you're trying to circumvent the laws to make an SBR they can still declare it an SBR.
quote:
The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives reserves the right to preclude classification as a pistol with a "stabilizing brace" for any firearms that achieves apparent qualifying score but is an attempt to make a "short-barreled rifle" and circumvent the GCA or NFA.
Posted on 6/13/21 at 4:04 pm to tommy2tone1999
quote:Well yeah, I get that.
Even if you pass on the very vague points criteria there is this, the ATF has a disclaimer in the "NOTE:" section at the top of the score sheet that basically says if they feel you're trying to circumvent the laws to make an SBR they can still declare it an SBR.
My orders haven't shipped just yet. I'm trying to determine if what I bought even makes it into the "gray area" category, or if it would get dinged instantly.
If it doesn't make it past the form, I might go back and cancel the upper. As far as I can tell, the lower can be converted to "rifle" with a simple swap of stock for brace.
Posted on 6/13/21 at 4:06 pm to Scoob
quote:
As far as I can tell, the lower can be converted to "rifle" with a simple swap of stock for brace.
Correct for the most part
Adjustable stock need a buffer tube that fits it.
There are commercial spec and mil spec. The tube on each is different size and the stock will fit one or the other.
This post was edited on 6/13/21 at 4:08 pm
Posted on 6/13/21 at 4:38 pm to bbvdd
quote:And, this is the specs on the lower I bought:
As far as I can tell, the lower can be converted to "rifle" with a simple swap of stock for brace.
Correct for the most part
Adjustable stock need a buffer tube that fits it.
There are commercial spec and mil spec. The tube on each is different size and the stock will fit one or the other.
quote:
Lower Receiver: Forged 7075 T6 Aluminum
Receiver Finish: Hardcoat Anodized
Fire Control Group: Single-Stage, Mil-Spec
Grip: Magpul MOE Grip, Gray
Trigger Guard: Magpul MOE Trigger Guard, Gray
Buffer Tube: Mil-Spec Buffer Tube
Adjustment: 6-Position
Pistol Brace: Mission First Tactical Battlelink Pistol Stabilizer, Gray
To clarify, I'm no pro at the AR game, I own a couple. 2 bought complete, the 3rd (as this one will be) was a complete upper + a complete lower. So if I'm missing something, please let me know.
But the way I read that, it sounds like a standard carbine buffer tube, not a pistol tube.
Here's a picture from the "black" listing, it sure looks like that is the case
Added- I guess the question is, should I just cancel the upper, and wait things out? If I get this lower and put it away for now, it gives me the potential to buy an upper later- a pistol if that's okay. Or worst case scenario, another rifle upper.
This post was edited on 6/13/21 at 4:44 pm
Posted on 6/13/21 at 4:41 pm to Scoob
Yes would would have to buy a pistol tube
Posted on 6/13/21 at 4:53 pm to jimbeam
quote:
Yes would would have to buy a pistol tube
I guess the smart move would be to cancel the upper, and go into a "wait and see" mode.
Or- should I cancel both? If this lower gets logged in as a pistol, would there be problems down the road, even if I slap a stock on it and remove/destroy the brace?
Posted on 6/14/21 at 9:05 am to Scoob
Your lower should be fine. Under the current rules, if the lower is registered as a pistol/other, it can switch between pistol and rifle with no issues. If its registered as a rifle, then it becomes an SBR if you ever switch it to a pistol configuration. But those are just the current rules which they can arbitrarily throw out or change on a whim apparently
At least that’s my understanding
At least that’s my understanding
Posted on 6/14/21 at 8:51 pm to The Nino
quote:Good, I wanted to get a lower as a pistol basically for this reason. I don't anticipate getting a dozen more, but I wanted to get my foot in the door with something. There's so many owners, you figure there might be a grandfather action.
Your lower should be fine. Under the current rules, if the lower is registered as a pistol/other, it can switch between pistol and rifle with no issues.
Based on the proposal- if nothing else, I can just pull the brace off, and it then passes muster, correct? And then, wait until I see "the current acceptable" brace to hit the market?
Posted on 6/14/21 at 10:04 pm to Scoob
quote:The new proposed guidelines have no grandfathering clause
There's so many owners, you figure there might be a grandfather action.
quote:Depends on the entire firearm as a whole and how many points it accrues. And even if it passes that, it's still left up to the judgement of the ATF...welcome to this clown world
Based on the proposal- if nothing else, I can just pull the brace off, and it then passes muster, correct?
Posted on 6/15/21 at 4:21 am to bbvdd
Would you not consider just changing your hand guard to run your can? Very nice setup by the way 
This post was edited on 6/15/21 at 4:22 am
Posted on 6/15/21 at 6:23 am to tommy2tone1999
quote:
The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives reserves the right to preclude classification as a pistol with a "stabilizing brace" for any firearms that achieves apparent qualifying score but is an attempt to make a "short-barreled rifle" and circumvent the GCA or NFA.
The ATF used that very same logic for decades including the 89 and 98 bans. Its one of the reasons they can get away with changing their minds by leaving that little disclaimer.
Posted on 6/15/21 at 8:17 am to GhostofLesticleMiles
quote:
Would you not consider just changing your hand guard to run your can? Very nice setup by the way
The way the handguard fits the upper that really isn't an option.
I don't have the sandman yet (still in jail for a few more months) but I think I will add a couple more washers and then loctite the break. I'll run to the store and check to see if that will work.
Thank you for the complement. Scope should be here this am. I'll get a pic after I get it.
Posted on 6/15/21 at 10:41 am to bbvdd
quote:What color did you get. I've been eying this kit for a while but it's never in stock
Got the Radian builders kit in on Friday and put it together last night
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