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re: Official AR-15 thread
Posted on 3/11/23 at 12:31 pm to MetroAtlantaGatorFan
Posted on 3/11/23 at 12:31 pm to MetroAtlantaGatorFan
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do you really think budget brands like Anderson and PSA have the same level of QC?
Is the QC worth the extra $1000?
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Posted on 3/11/23 at 12:44 pm to finchmeister08
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Is the QC worth the extra $1000?
Here is how you should look at it. If you going to plink around with your gun and put a few hundred rounds through it then the sub $1000 guns are fine. If you are going to put 1000’s of rounds through it then the more expensive guns/parts are worth it. Ask any trainer that has a carbine course where you shoot 1000 rds in 2 days. The cheaper guns will always have issues. I’m not bashing them it’s just a fact.
This post was edited on 3/11/23 at 12:45 pm
Posted on 3/11/23 at 1:18 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I cant imagine just buying a stock unit.
Looking at the PSA Sabre, I would change the bolt catch and magazine button right off.
Posted on 3/11/23 at 4:02 pm to HeadSlash
Just walked out of the the gun store again with more Aero parts. 
Got an Aero barrel and adj. gas lock in order with them. I guess it’s gonna be a 99% Aero build.
LaRue Trigger Is in the mail.
Besides Magpul and B5, can anyone suggest a stock that mi might not be aware of? One of the other places has a Strike Industries stock.
Got an Aero barrel and adj. gas lock in order with them. I guess it’s gonna be a 99% Aero build.
LaRue Trigger Is in the mail.
Besides Magpul and B5, can anyone suggest a stock that mi might not be aware of? One of the other places has a Strike Industries stock.
Posted on 3/11/23 at 4:05 pm to finchmeister08
I like these
Posted on 3/11/23 at 5:32 pm to HeadSlash
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Looking at the PSA Sabre, I would change the bolt catch and magazine button right off.
Yeah, even stock rifles can be easily customized which is why its such a great platform.
Posted on 3/11/23 at 7:17 pm to lsufan1971
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Here is how you should look at it. If you going to plink around with your gun and put a few hundred rounds through it then the sub $1000 guns are fine. If you are going to put 1000’s of rounds through it then the more expensive guns/parts are worth it. Ask any trainer that has a carbine course where you shoot 1000 rds in 2 days. The cheaper guns will always have issues. I’m not bashing them it’s just a fact.
Dude really needs to educate himself on M4C. All the info out there and he still bought a poverty pony.
Posted on 3/11/23 at 9:02 pm to MetroAtlantaGatorFan
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he still bought a poverty pony.
I wasn’t aware that Aero Precision was in the “poverty” category.
Posted on 3/11/23 at 10:07 pm to finchmeister08
You were bragging about having Anderson earlier in this very thread.
Posted on 3/11/23 at 10:12 pm to lsufan1971
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The cheaper guns will always have issues. I’m not bashing them it’s just a fact.
Except it isn't a fact. A FN-contract M4A1 is a sub-$500 gun. If you think more expensive gun parts are worth it then look up the ARDEC testing of SureFire's $400 bolt carrier group, it didn't hold up to serious scrutiny of the claims made in marketing. No better than a sub $100 mil-spec BCG.
Posted on 3/11/23 at 10:24 pm to MetroAtlantaGatorFan
if that's the one you're calling a "poverty pony" then, yes, i was poorer 6-7 years ago when i first built it compared to now.
however, i'm a believer that i can "make it better" with quality parts if i wanted to. will an anderson upper/lower with BCM barrel/bolt/trigger perform eqaully to a complete BCM rifle?
but from everything i've read, Aero is a pretty good mid-tier.
i did find this comment kinda spicy....
however, i'm a believer that i can "make it better" with quality parts if i wanted to. will an anderson upper/lower with BCM barrel/bolt/trigger perform eqaully to a complete BCM rifle?
but from everything i've read, Aero is a pretty good mid-tier.
i did find this comment kinda spicy
.... Posted on 3/11/23 at 10:40 pm to finchmeister08
You just seem kinda new to the AR game if you really didn't know that I was talking about Anderson.
Posted on 3/11/23 at 10:51 pm to lsufan1971
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Here is how you should look at it. If you going to plink around with your gun and put a few hundred rounds through it then the sub $1000 guns are fine. If you are going to put 1000’s of rounds through it then the more expensive guns/parts are worth it. Ask any trainer that has a carbine course where you shoot 1000 rds in 2 days. The cheaper guns will always have issues. I’m not bashing them it’s just a fact.
It’s not a fact. It may be a fact that a sub $1k gun is more likely to have a problem but an $800 gun will not “always” have issues. This test is a helluva lot more than 1,000 rounds and they used Bushmasters.
https://www.luckygunner.com/labs/brass-vs-steel-cased-ammo/
Posted on 3/11/23 at 10:55 pm to MetroAtlantaGatorFan
i'm "in and out" of it. when i first built my AR, i messed around with it for about a year. then it sat. my hobbies come and go in phases.
i'm >this< close to getting a local gun store membership.
https://midwestshootingcenter.com/fort-wayne/
the only downside is they have more guns, accessories, and tools than they have ammo options. their big draw is their indoor range. memberships get unlimited time on the range. non-members pay $25/hr. memberships are $33/month for 3 years.
i run an etsy store for my "nerdy" side and i'm thing of having that pay for my membership.
i'm >this< close to getting a local gun store membership.
https://midwestshootingcenter.com/fort-wayne/
the only downside is they have more guns, accessories, and tools than they have ammo options. their big draw is their indoor range. memberships get unlimited time on the range. non-members pay $25/hr. memberships are $33/month for 3 years.
i run an etsy store for my "nerdy" side and i'm thing of having that pay for my membership.
Posted on 3/11/23 at 11:00 pm to Clames
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Except it isn't a fact. A FN-contract M4A1 is a sub-$500 gun.
And not one person on this forum can buy it for less than $1000.
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you think more expensive gun parts are worth it then look up the ARDEC testing of SureFire's $400 bolt carrier group, it didn't hold up to serious scrutiny of the claims made in marketing. No better than a sub $100 mil-spec BCG.
There are always exceptions. like I said most people go shoot a few hundred rounds a year and those guns are fine. There are some budget guns that can go thousands of rounds and not have catastrophic failures.
Go shoot 1000 rds out of your gun without breaking it down and see how it performs.
I took a carbine class 7 years ago. We shot 1000 rds in 2 days. There were a mixture of guns. 2 guys had Noveske’s, one LMT, a Larue and 2 older Colts. They all ran flawless. 3 other guns were lower tier guns. Those guys were having to stop and leave the firing line because of feeding issues etc.
One guys S&W quit on him altogether and had to borrow the instructors gun to finish the course.
I’m not bashing anyone’s purchase. You buy what you want buy. I would rather have a $500 Radical than none at all.
This post was edited on 3/11/23 at 11:11 pm
Posted on 3/11/23 at 11:18 pm to Flats
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This test is a helluva lot more than 1,000 rounds and they used Bushmasters.
Reading the article the TULA ammo caused them to have to switch to another gun after 500 rds because it became inoperable. One of the guys in our carbine class was running steel case and similar happened to him.
Posted on 3/11/23 at 11:27 pm to lsufan1971
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took a carbine class 7 years ago. We shot 1000 rds in 2 days. There were a mixture of guns. 2 guys had Noveske’s, one LMT, a Larue and 2 older Colts. They all ran flawless. 3 other guns were lower tier guns. Those guys were having to stop and leave the firing line because of feeding issues etc.
It's not just the QC that makes those guns run and run and run, while other cheaper models will sometimes fail.
It's because most, if not all, of the mil contract brands are doing everything needed to keep them running, from a true mil-spec standpoint.
Little things like properly staking the castle nuts and drilling and pinning the gas block and using an H or H2 buffer and properly torquing the barrel nut or muzzle device, etc, and lock-tighting the handguard screws, are all things that the 'lesser' brands often don't do or home builders skimp on or don't do/know about.
Those kinds of things are what rattle off over a hard use course or over time and drastically affect how platform properly operates.
Also, most higher end USGI contract brands will have chromed barrels and very high quality BCGs that can take abuse and abuse and abuse over long periods of time, including hard cleaning of the bore.
Sure, a $600 PSA build will do a lot of people a lot of good, especially if they don't fire them much, but if you ever plan on actually shooting them a lot or will be carrying them alot on tractors/atvs/4-wheelers, etc, then you better damn well have everything properly built or certain parts will loosen and affect the system.
These are things most people starting out with the platform never pay attention to, buy cheap at first, snd then end up investing lots more once they figure out what they really want/need instead of just buying a high quality product in the first place.
Posted on 3/11/23 at 11:58 pm to Jack Ruby
My wife took my higher end AR-15 for herself so I got myself a Seekins Precision AR-10.
I have a PSA AR-15 that I need to put a ton of rounds through on my property to see if I can make it fail. If it doesn't then cool, if it fails, I'll replace it with a 2nd nice AR-15.
I have a PSA AR-15 that I need to put a ton of rounds through on my property to see if I can make it fail. If it doesn't then cool, if it fails, I'll replace it with a 2nd nice AR-15.
This post was edited on 3/12/23 at 12:03 am
Posted on 3/12/23 at 12:34 am to lsufan1971
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And not one person on this forum can buy it for less than $1000.
That's not the point, the point is that $$$ is not a barometer for quality or reliability.
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Go shoot 1000 rds out of your gun without breaking it down and see how it performs.
Done that with both my AR's, zero problems, zero out of normal wear. I've burned thousands of Uncle Sam's rounds in old M16A2's and brand-new M4A1's with the same results. I know exactly what's in my rifles and I have the tools to measure those critical dimensions. I didn't throw money at names and marketing wank.
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3 other guns were lower tier guns. Those guys were having to stop and leave the firing line because of feeding issues etc.
One guys S&W quit on him altogether and had to borrow the instructors gun to finish the course.
Unless someone broke out pin gauges, micrometers, and the like to find out exactly why they had issues, then all you have is anecdotal. If those guys had out of spec parts, where running parts they added (because they thought they knew better/believed the company they purchased from/read it on the internet), magazine issues, etc there is no way to know what the cause was. Simply stating it was because "lower tier" is meaningless.
Posted on 3/12/23 at 12:46 am to Jack Ruby
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Also, most higher end USGI contract brands will have chromed barrels and very high quality BCGs that can take abuse and abuse and abuse over long periods of time, including hard cleaning of the bore.
You think that? I'll tell you the truth that very few new rifles pass the endurance tests in production qualification. Think it's a 5,000 MRBF and most don't get far into 3,000. Colt and FN barrels have issues in endurance tests, for different reasons peculiar to how they make their barrels and the HC chrome processes they use. Bolts crack, extractors fail, barrels show too much erosion, cyclic rates go too low or too high...the ones that pass doesn't depend on brand as much as just getting lucky with the totality of the parts used.
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