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re: Purchased my first handgun this weekend
Posted on 3/26/12 at 11:38 am to chrisman17
Posted on 3/26/12 at 11:38 am to chrisman17
quote:how so?
Careful with 1911s under 5" they have a tendency to be unreliable.
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Posted on 3/26/12 at 11:45 am to Carson123987
quote:
Getting rid of my HK45
I'll give you $200 for it
Posted on 3/26/12 at 11:52 am to 07Champs
If the xxl class is this side of btr keep us posted, I have no pistol, but would plike to get the ccl to get one and keep in my truck when on the road. Never know when first zombie will be in the road.
Posted on 3/26/12 at 11:55 am to tigerfoot
Don't need a ccl for your car or truck in Louisiana
Posted on 3/26/12 at 11:57 am to 07Champs
quote:
how so?
The original 1911 was designed to be a 5" gun with a 16.5# recoil spring, when you start chopping off length, it starts to speed the slide cycle rate which in turn can cause misfeeds galore. Most are related to the mag spring not having a enough power to quickly push another round up. The only way to try to combat this is be using heavier recoil springs, then you have to worry about your choice of ammo.
There's a reason the well known 1911 semi custom shops(Wilson, Brown, NHC, Baer) don't work with anything less then 4". As the length of the slide is shortened, the problems with reliability increase exponentially.
This post was edited on 3/26/12 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 3/26/12 at 11:57 am to WavinWilly
Even hid deep in the glove box? I'm too fat to put anything else in my waistline, no concealed carry till a month on Atkins.
This post was edited on 3/26/12 at 11:57 am
Posted on 3/26/12 at 12:00 pm to Carson123987
quote:
What were they? Getting rid of my HK45, may get a 1911
Hit me up when you decide to sell the HK45, I've been jonesing for another one since I sold the two I had a few months ago.
Posted on 3/26/12 at 12:03 pm to tigerfoot
quote:
Even hid deep in the glove box? I'm too fat to put anything else in my waistline, no concealed carry till a month on Atkins.
In Louisiana your car is an extension of your home. And don't quote me on this but.I'm pretty sure you can have it in your car on campus...but it has to stay in your car.
Posted on 3/26/12 at 1:35 pm to chrisman17
After reading up on this topic chrisman I've also found a few of these...
I don't forsee myself having many troubles with my kimber after reading what their short barrel owners had to say. I ordered the new mags you suggested this am, as well. The short barrel 1911's sure is an interesting topic. There seems to be many variables out there.
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Something I've heard from knowledgeable 1911ers, which might act as a pinch of salt:
Much of the lore about short-barreled 1911s being unreliable stems from the days when people would chop down 5" Government models to be more carry-friendly, without making the necessary changes to the (timing-sensitive) action. The result was pistolsthat were unreliable, or finicky at best.
Modern short-barreled 1911s (and 1911-alikes or reinventions, like the Springer EMP or the little P238) were specifically designed with short barrels in mind. Their recoil assemblies are different, the spring weights are changed, and I'm sure barrel lockup and the bushing — if present — are designed to work correctly with the shorter barrel.
A 3" bull-barrel 1911 with a RecoilMaster, like most short STIs, pretty much only shareswith a Government model the fact that it has two locking lugs to mate slide and barrel, and that the barrel assembly pivots around the slide stop. No bushing, different recoil assembly, different radius on the firing pin stop, maybe different mainspring strength… and thus different timing. It's a very different beast than a chopped gun.
There are a great many people who have put tens or hundreds of thousands of rounds through 3"-4" 1911s without problems, so saying that they are inherently unreliable is inaccurate. From what I've seen, the reliability of most Kimbers seems to be inversely proportional to barrel length!
All that said, a 3" 1911 will have a shorter sight radius (and thus be less accurate for the typical shooter), have more noticeable muzzle flip (and with a shorter grip be less controllable),and muzzle velocity will naturally be lower. These are the tradeoffs that people make to get a gun they can or will carry.
I don't forsee myself having many troubles with my kimber after reading what their short barrel owners had to say. I ordered the new mags you suggested this am, as well. The short barrel 1911's sure is an interesting topic. There seems to be many variables out there.
This post was edited on 3/26/12 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 3/26/12 at 1:37 pm to WavinWilly
quote:This is true
In Louisiana your car is an extension of your home.
quote:I am pretty sure this is wrong though. Not positive
I'm pretty sure you can have it in your car on campus...but it has to stay in your car.
Posted on 3/26/12 at 1:37 pm to 07Champs
Boom
Posted on 3/26/12 at 1:38 pm to mylsuhat
quote:
I am pretty sure this is wrong though. Not positive
+1
I'm pretty sure schools are a completely firearm free zone, with the exception of LEOs (and psychos who go on sniping rampages)
Posted on 3/26/12 at 1:40 pm to mylsuhat
You can have it in your vehicle on campus legally according to my friend's ccl instructor. He keeps a copy of whatever law it is in his truck for dealing with asshat cops.
Posted on 3/26/12 at 1:42 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Interesting....
Posted on 3/26/12 at 1:42 pm to 07Champs
quote:
Something I've heard from knowledgeable 1911ers, which might act as a pinch of salt:
Much of the lore about short-barreled 1911s being unreliable stems from the days when people would chop down 5" Government models to be more carry-friendly, without making the necessary changes to the (timing-sensitive) action. The result was pistolsthat were unreliable, or finicky at best.
Modern short-barreled 1911s (and 1911-alikes or reinventions, like the Springer EMP or the little P238) were specifically designed with short barrels in mind. Their recoil assemblies are different, the spring weights are changed, and I'm sure barrel lockup and the bushing — if present — are designed to work correctly with the shorter barrel.
A 3" bull-barrel 1911 with a RecoilMaster, like most short STIs, pretty much only shareswith a Government model the fact that it has two locking lugs to mate slide and barrel, and that the barrel assembly pivots around the slide stop. No bushing, different recoil assembly, different radius on the firing pin stop, maybe different mainspring strength… and thus different timing. It's a very different beast than a chopped gun.
There are a great many people who have put tens or hundreds of thousands of rounds through 3"-4" 1911s without problems, so saying that they are inherently unreliable is inaccurate. From what I've seen, the reliability of most Kimbers seems to be inversely proportional to barrel length!
All that said, a 3" 1911 will have a shorter sight radius (and thus be less accurate for the typical shooter), have more noticeable muzzle flip (and with a shorter grip be less controllable),and muzzle velocity will naturally be lower. These are the tradeoffs that people make to get a gun they can or will carry.
No doubt you'll find people that have had them run...
The EMP was built around the 9mm from the ground up.
Your Kimber is a gun that was cut down, to put it bluntly. I'm not saying that there isn't any way in hell your kimber will function, I'm just saying the odds are against it.
Like I said, look no further then then big 5 or so Semi Custom guys... Only NHC dabbled with 3-4" guns and they too dropped them from the line after a couple years.
Don't even get my started on a kimber rant...
Posted on 3/26/12 at 1:43 pm to chrisman17
No reason to go there 
Well, we will see how my experience unfolds. This topic is so intriguing I will keep the OB posted.
Well, we will see how my experience unfolds. This topic is so intriguing I will keep the OB posted.
Posted on 3/26/12 at 1:48 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
quote:
You can have it in your vehicle on campus legally according to my friend's ccl instructor. He keeps a copy of whatever law it is in his truck for dealing with asshat cops.
Well shite, I need to find that law and print it out or something. I've been nervous a few times going on campus and forgetting to take mine out my truck
Posted on 3/26/12 at 1:49 pm to chrisman17
quote:So, you're saying Kimber is putting out a product that the odds are against functioning. There's a 51% chance any new short Kimber will not run and people still buy them and Kimber continues to sell them?
I'm not saying that there isn't any way in hell your kimber will function, I'm just saying the odds are against it.
Posted on 3/26/12 at 1:52 pm to Boats n Hose
I actually think he has a pamphlet from his ccl class. You can legally have it in there, but that doesnt mean a dumbass campus cop wont throw you over the hood of you truck because he doesnt know better.
Posted on 3/26/12 at 1:55 pm to AlxTgr
I'm saying the kimbers of today are not the same quality as the kimbers of the late 90s and early 2000s. The use of mim parts and plastic msh is clear evidence of the decline in quality. Don't confuse great marketing for a great product.
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