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re: This WGNO article about Theophile is disrespectful
Posted on 8/24/19 at 11:17 am to HotKoolaid
Posted on 8/24/19 at 11:17 am to HotKoolaid
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It's sad that we live in a world where we have to be aware of the possibility of litigation after every bad thing that happens. It's fricking disgusting.
if you or I want to go do anything or go anywhere we take on the assumption of risk. If I invite you or you invite me to come along we do the same
but if you pay me or I pay you to do that thing, it’s a commercial enterprise and there are different rules for that. That’s the way it is man
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Posted on 8/24/19 at 11:33 am to cgrand
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if you or I want to go do anything or go anywhere we take on the assumption of risk. If I invite you or you invite me to come along we do the same
but if you pay me or I pay you to do that thing, it’s a commercial enterprise and there are different rules for that. That’s the way it is man
I won't even tow someone back to the ramp, but I will call sea tow for you. I sure as hell won't board a boat to help someone unless they are about to die. Too many horror stories about people getting sued after trying to help someone.
This post was edited on 8/24/19 at 11:39 am
Posted on 8/25/19 at 5:19 am to WPsportsman
On average, a VFR pilot encountering IFR conditions, is in a death spiral in 178 seconds. The pilot becomes disoriented and is no longer able to fly the plane.
IF the captain was flying for hire without an IFR rating, he was extremely irresponsible. It was just a matter of time before he encountered IFR conditions during his career.
There’s a chance they hit a strong thunderstorm and or microburst that forced them down. There’s also a chance they encountered IFR conditions and weren’t equipped to deal with it.
IF the captain was flying for hire without an IFR rating, he was extremely irresponsible. It was just a matter of time before he encountered IFR conditions during his career.
There’s a chance they hit a strong thunderstorm and or microburst that forced them down. There’s also a chance they encountered IFR conditions and weren’t equipped to deal with it.
Posted on 8/25/19 at 6:51 am to 257WBY
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There’s a chance they hit a strong thunderstorm and or microburst that forced them down
He kept going lower to avoid clouds and got too low.
Posted on 8/25/19 at 7:49 pm to Capt ST
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kept going lower to avoid clouds and got too low.
To the point of crashing?
Posted on 8/25/19 at 8:02 pm to tigerinthebueche
Yes, that’s my understanding
Posted on 8/25/19 at 9:32 pm to WPsportsman
Unfortunately this is the world we live in.
I don’t blame if the customers sue. It isn’t personal. They likely have thousands of dollars in medical bills and the guide had insurance for this very reason. They should be made whole and that is why any business has insurance.
Being a commercial vfr/ifr rated pilot in both rotary and fixed wing, I’ll say this. Being a commercial vfr only pilot is not the norm. Doesn’t mean he is not competent or violating any regulations, just not exactly the norm. Without training in ifr conditions, I would give him less than 5 mins, at best, till he looses control and goes in if he finds himself in ifr conditions. If a bad storm forced him down, who knows what might have happened if he had tried to fly through it. Thunderstorm penetration is pretty much suicide, no matter the aircraft or ratings. It’s just not something you do, especially in a Cessna.
I have no clue what happened, won’t speculate. But, seems like he did what lots of business owners do. Get just where he needed to be to run his business. Ifr just was an extra investment in training and time. Maybe he needed it, maybe not.
But a vfr only pilot going into the clouds, especially carrying passengers for hire is inexcusable.
Wish the best for his family and customers
I don’t blame if the customers sue. It isn’t personal. They likely have thousands of dollars in medical bills and the guide had insurance for this very reason. They should be made whole and that is why any business has insurance.
Being a commercial vfr/ifr rated pilot in both rotary and fixed wing, I’ll say this. Being a commercial vfr only pilot is not the norm. Doesn’t mean he is not competent or violating any regulations, just not exactly the norm. Without training in ifr conditions, I would give him less than 5 mins, at best, till he looses control and goes in if he finds himself in ifr conditions. If a bad storm forced him down, who knows what might have happened if he had tried to fly through it. Thunderstorm penetration is pretty much suicide, no matter the aircraft or ratings. It’s just not something you do, especially in a Cessna.
I have no clue what happened, won’t speculate. But, seems like he did what lots of business owners do. Get just where he needed to be to run his business. Ifr just was an extra investment in training and time. Maybe he needed it, maybe not.
But a vfr only pilot going into the clouds, especially carrying passengers for hire is inexcusable.
Wish the best for his family and customers
Posted on 8/26/19 at 8:32 am to Bigsampson
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Being a commercial vfr/ifr rated pilot in both rotary and fixed wing
How quickly can a low pressure system affect the barometric altimeter or ice the carburetor?
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