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re: Why are so few automatic pistol cartridges designed with bottle neck cases?
Posted on 5/10/12 at 9:28 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Posted on 5/10/12 at 9:28 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
quote:You'd still have more cap than a revolver though, right?
I'm sure the reliability wouldn't go up much, but I'll trade a sizeable decrease in magazine capacity for a marginal increase in reliability. Hence my chubby for revolvers.
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Posted on 5/10/12 at 9:37 am to AlxTgr
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You'd still have more cap than a revolver though, right?
Sure as long as they were not sub-compact single stack semi's.
There are a few things that would have to change about semi's before I felt that a glock or 1911 was as reliable as a ruger or smith revolver. Bottle-necked cartridges is one of them.
I think a 1911 built to glock tolerances without a grip safety chambered in 357 sig would be a really reliable platform that probably wouldn't sell well.
I'm a fan of the AK-47 approach with defense handguns. Make it loose and sloppy and make it go bang every single time unless the bolt is welded shut.
This post was edited on 5/10/12 at 9:38 am
Posted on 5/10/12 at 9:50 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Have you noticed the "Become a Gunsmith" ad at top? They use the backwards kill yourself pistol. Morons.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 9:52 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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I think a 1911 built to glock tolerances without a grip safety chambered in 357 sig would be a really reliable platform that probably wouldn't sell well.
i'd buy that
Posted on 5/10/12 at 9:55 am to AlxTgr
I never noticed it until you said something about it. It was up there when I read your post
KR, was the lack of cartridge support in glock chambers ever fixed or is it just deemed a necessary tradeoff for feed reliability?
KR, was the lack of cartridge support in glock chambers ever fixed or is it just deemed a necessary tradeoff for feed reliability?
Posted on 5/10/12 at 10:04 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
I'm probably wrong but I don't think that necked cartridges do feed more reliably than a straight cartridge.
You can't get a .17 hmr in a semi anymore because of cycling problems from the shoulder. And when one of those jammed if the bolt had enough force coming forward to dent the rim then the gun could blow up.
I may be completely wrong though....
You can't get a .17 hmr in a semi anymore because of cycling problems from the shoulder. And when one of those jammed if the bolt had enough force coming forward to dent the rim then the gun could blow up.
I may be completely wrong though....
Posted on 5/10/12 at 10:05 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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KR, was the lack of cartridge support in glock chambers ever fixed or is it just deemed a necessary tradeoff for feed reliability?
i don't believe it was ever addressed because they will feed a wet terd and that is what many of their people want them to do
Posted on 5/10/12 at 10:10 am to KingRanch
I mean that's what I'd want it to do as well, but preferably without sacrificing lower case suppose. I don't want to loose a finger from a mag getting blown out the bottom of the gun.
Bottle-necked cartridges would eliminate this! Although I think 357 sig glocks still have the hellacious ramp. Seems like they would take advantage of the sig's neck and beef up the chamber, especially with a hot arse case-blowing round like the sig (which was powder-puffed from the original design because of shite like that).
Bottle-necked cartridges would eliminate this! Although I think 357 sig glocks still have the hellacious ramp. Seems like they would take advantage of the sig's neck and beef up the chamber, especially with a hot arse case-blowing round like the sig (which was powder-puffed from the original design because of shite like that).
Posted on 5/10/12 at 10:12 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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I mean that's what I'd want it to do as well, but preferably without sacrificing lower case suppose. I don't want to loose a finger from a mag getting blown out the bottom of the gun.
i get it, i just don't have an application for them
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Bottle-necked cartridges would eliminate this!
agreed but once you get to bigger calibers round capacity in the mag would suffer because of the big brass
Posted on 5/10/12 at 10:17 am to KingRanch
Yea so my idea probably wouldn't be a hot seller. Seems one thing people put a bunch of stock in is round capacity for self defense guns.
I guess the general pop feels what they have is reliable enough. I'm always a huge fan of improving the reliability of anything and having owned all kinds of stuff that's blown up, I put more stock in reliability than anything.
I guess the general pop feels what they have is reliable enough. I'm always a huge fan of improving the reliability of anything and having owned all kinds of stuff that's blown up, I put more stock in reliability than anything.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 10:20 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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owned all kinds of stuff that's blown up
fortunately i've never had anything blow up on me and i've shot A LOT of pistol rounds
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I put more stock in reliability than anything.
1911
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Seems one thing people put a bunch of stock in is round capacity for self defense guns.
This post was edited on 5/10/12 at 10:23 am
Posted on 5/10/12 at 10:20 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
quote:
I'm a fan of the AK-47 approach with defense handguns. Make it loose and sloppy and make it go bang every single time unless the bolt is welded shut.
What handgun is more like an AK-47 than a Glock?
Posted on 5/10/12 at 10:26 am to coloradoBengal
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What handgun is more like an AK-47 than a Glock?
Probably none. That doesn't mean it's as good as it can be though. There's room for lots of (what I feel would be) design improvements if you start using bottlenecked cartridges. The lack of case support in the chamber is one of my big issues with the glock. It could easily blow the mag out with faulty ammo or even blow the gun up in your hand. That's a pretty major design flaw IMO. It facilitates easy feeding which is definitely a good thing, but at the expense of the gun possibly blowing up in your hand if you get an over-pressured load or faulty brass. Why not just put the funnel on the case instead of on the chamber?
And I trust the AK to go bang every time more than I trust the glock to do it. I trust a revolver to go bang about as often as the AK will, both more than a glock (and I won't shoot myself in the arse with either on draw like I would with a glock).
Posted on 5/10/12 at 10:27 am to bbvdd
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I'm probably wrong but I don't think that necked cartridges do feed more reliably than a straight cartridge.
I agree with this. I dont see how a necked cartridge would feed better. I would think the extra bump would actually cause problem, whereas a casing that is straight would slide better. As bbvdd said, I may be completely wrong tho.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 10:28 am to Teyeger
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I may be completely wrong tho.
you are, the angle back towards the projectile will aid in loading and ejecting of the cartridge
Posted on 5/10/12 at 10:33 am to Teyeger
The angled neck acts like a funnel. If there isn't a funnel of some sort, the bullet would have to be perfectly lined up with the chamber to go in. Current straight walled cartridges require you to put the funnel on the chamber. Having it on the cartridge as well as (to a lesser extent than normal) on the chamber gives you more funnel power and will allow the round to chamber while being more out of line with the chamber.
This post was edited on 5/10/12 at 10:34 am
Posted on 5/10/12 at 10:35 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
quote:
angled neck acts like a funnel.
good way to put it
Posted on 5/10/12 at 10:54 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
That makes sense.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 12:31 pm to EMP40 LSU
Damn i coulda wrote that article
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