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Posted on 1/25/17 at 7:39 pm to canyon
do trumpkins realize that good deal of illegals, get over here...by flying
are we going to put this wall 10 miles high or something?
anways, trumps plan sounds about how a child would make a solution to the complex issue "lets just build a wall and put army men on it"
pretty embarrassing really.
are we going to put this wall 10 miles high or something?
anways, trumps plan sounds about how a child would make a solution to the complex issue "lets just build a wall and put army men on it"
pretty embarrassing really.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 7:41 pm to TimeOutdoors
quote:It will probably be twice that. And most of it will still be fence. 10 feet into the ground, watchtowers, doors, electricity, drainage, digging detectors, motion detectors, etc, etc.
Why do I keep hearing $25 Billion. Can these people not do math? That's $12.8 million per mile. There's no way it will cost anyway near that.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 7:43 pm to Asgard Device
quote:Remittance taxes are trivial to evade. Middlemen in third countries. Hawala. Bitcoin.
A 15% tax on money sent to Mexico and a 5% tariff on imports from Mexico would bring in over $12b a year alone.
5% tariff would blow up NAFTA. The resulting uncertainty combined with the first-order economic effects would certainly trigger a recession that would wipe out the imagined gains.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 7:45 pm to Iosh
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Remittance taxes are trivial to evade. Middlemen in third countries. Hawala. Bitcoin.
You think an illegal painting houses is going to use Bitcoin if it's just a couple of points at most on the remittance?
Posted on 1/25/17 at 7:45 pm to TimeOutdoors
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That's $12.8 million per mile
To build a 30 foot high wall not to mention maintain it? You don't know shite about construction if you don't think it will at least cost that. Seriously, the average house these days probably costs 400K, and you don't think to build a mile of wall that it won't cost that much? You have to be stupid. That's the lowest possible price. 12.5 million is the bare cost for the bricks, not to mention the labor and the land. Do you think these people will work for free, the people who own property there will give it up for free, or that the wall will maintain itself?
This post was edited on 1/25/17 at 7:49 pm
Posted on 1/25/17 at 7:46 pm to rocket31
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are we going to put this wall 10 miles high or something?
Depends on how much Vincente Fox runs his mouth IMO.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 7:46 pm to TimeOutdoors
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considerable amount of the property is owned by the federal government already. I'm not a fan of eminent domain, but it does not pay absorbent prices for land. Another large portion of the land I'd expect would be valued pretty low.
False. Most of the land not currently walled off is privately owned. We already put up the easy part as part of the 2006 fence act shenanigans. Now you have to build the part through weird terrain and private land. Good luck doing it for anywhere near the price of the existing wall.
This post was edited on 1/25/17 at 7:50 pm
Posted on 1/25/17 at 7:47 pm to tigerpawl
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You mean we don't already have right of way for our own border?
Well, some citizens own land that hits the border, so there's that.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 7:47 pm to rocket31
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anways, trumps plan sounds about how a child would make a solution to the complex issue "lets just build a wall and put army men on it"
Yes bc putting a fence around property is an unheard of way to keep people out. Liberals would never dream of having a fence around their backyards.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 7:49 pm to biglego
comparing your backyard to the us-mexican border
holy hell
holy hell
Posted on 1/25/17 at 7:49 pm to Asgard Device
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A 15% tax on money sent to Mexico and a 5% tariff on imports from Mexico would bring in over $12b a year alone. That's $48b in 4 years so there's room for overages. Let's not forget that the Feds run budget deficits of $500b in a single year like its nothing.
And when Mexicos retaliation is to throw up tariffs of its own then what? Double down and start a trade war? Suddenly the cost of this starts to skyrocket (and the costs of a trade war aren't borne evenly, who knows who this ends up hurting most/putting out of business). It's not a never will be as simple as just put a tariff up and there ya go.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 7:50 pm to TimeOutdoors
It will probably be embedded with gold.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 7:51 pm to TimeOutdoors
Concrete ain't cheap.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 7:52 pm to Lou Pai
quote:Absolutely. The amount represented by those points goes a lot farther in Mexico than it does here.
You think an illegal painting houses is going to use Bitcoin if it's just a couple of points at most on the remittance?
Posted on 1/25/17 at 7:53 pm to biglego
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Yes bc putting a fence around property is an unheard of way to keep people out. Liberals would never dream of having a fence around their backyards.
The fence is gonna go right through the middle of some properties about a mile away from the actual border in the rio grande region. People will have to have government issued gate codes to get to the rest of their properties.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 7:53 pm to TimeOutdoors
I bet Trump can do it for under $15 bil. This $25 bil garbage is just media spin.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 7:55 pm to Iosh
Meh I think you overestimate the sophistication and wherewithal of said painter. Not to mention the cost and hassle associated with that. I'm sure we see a dropoff but not like the feds won't be able to still collect billions.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 7:56 pm to Iosh
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would certainly trigger a recession that would wipe out the imagined gains.
We should bookmark this one and check back in five years to see how "certainly" this happened.
People seriously pay you for legal advice?
Posted on 1/25/17 at 7:56 pm to mtheob17
quote:Well I bet he can do it for free, if we're going to out random figures without any reasoning and call the other one's spin.
I bet Trump can do it for under $15 bil. This $25 bil garbage is just media spin.
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