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Posted on 2/4/22 at 2:45 pm to BigD45
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The author was writing about Nero at the time
When did a third of the people on earth die, or a 200 million man army attempt to invade Israel?
Wasn't talking about Nero.
Posted on 2/4/22 at 3:14 pm to Dawgwithnoname
Have a firm belief in the Second coming of Christ.
Am most unsure as to the timing surrounding matters such as the rapture. I don't believe the Church is immune to the events leading up to the Anti-Christ. I do know an Anti-Christ will not bring peace to peace. It will have to be quite unsettling for the entirety of the world to submit
If I watch for anything it will be this: the Hebrew State occupying the land promised Abraham - has not been realized to date and would most certainly hairlip the powers as we presently know them to be and a 200 million man army much more believable than the sliver of land we know as current Israel
P.S. we spend far too much time on 'end times'...is the devil's workshop. We ought to be more concerned with doing the Great Commission and tending to one another
Am most unsure as to the timing surrounding matters such as the rapture. I don't believe the Church is immune to the events leading up to the Anti-Christ. I do know an Anti-Christ will not bring peace to peace. It will have to be quite unsettling for the entirety of the world to submit
If I watch for anything it will be this: the Hebrew State occupying the land promised Abraham - has not been realized to date and would most certainly hairlip the powers as we presently know them to be and a 200 million man army much more believable than the sliver of land we know as current Israel
P.S. we spend far too much time on 'end times'...is the devil's workshop. We ought to be more concerned with doing the Great Commission and tending to one another
This post was edited on 2/4/22 at 3:19 pm
Posted on 2/4/22 at 3:23 pm to Dawgwithnoname
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Can't be imminent if He told people "it won't happen in your lifetime".
Did he say that?
Posted on 2/4/22 at 3:50 pm to Azkiger
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Did he say that?
No, and that's my point. He said no man knows the day. That's why it's been imminent since He left.
Posted on 2/4/22 at 3:52 pm to wfallstiger
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. we spend far too much time on 'end times'...is the devil's workshop
3 Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near.
It's not the devil's workshop. It's a reminder that there is a God, and judgment is coming.
Posted on 2/4/22 at 3:52 pm to Dawgwithnoname
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No, and that's my point. He said no man knows the day. That's why it's been imminent since He left.
When someone says a foreign invasion is imminent, you're not thinking in the back of your mind that 2,000 years into the future falls under that umbrella.
Posted on 2/4/22 at 4:07 pm to Azkiger
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When someone says a foreign invasion is imminent, you're not thinking in the back of your mind that 2,000 years into the future falls under that umbrella.
Dear friends, don’t overlook this one fact: With the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day. 2 Peter 3:8
Posted on 2/4/22 at 4:22 pm to Dawgwithnoname
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Dear friends, don’t overlook this one fact: With the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day. 2 Peter 3:8
Only in the mind of someone who's been swallowed by an ideology can "this is the last hour" really be "yea it's going to be at least 2,000 years until that happens."
No different from "communism just hasn't been done right!" really...
Posted on 2/4/22 at 4:28 pm to Dawgwithnoname
But the Biblical text that was quoted doesn't say what you're implying: that these things will get worse. It just says they will occur. So my question remains: Name a point in human history when these things weren't occurring.
Posted on 2/4/22 at 4:28 pm to Azkiger
I just showed you why you're wrong. You can continue to be skeptical, but
You can say a lot of things, but you can't say you weren't warned.
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For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. 11For it is written:
“As I live, says the Lord,
Every knee shall bow to Me,
And every tongue shall confess to God.”
12So then each of us shall give account of himself to God.
You can say a lot of things, but you can't say you weren't warned.
Posted on 2/4/22 at 4:33 pm to Dawgwithnoname
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I just showed you why you're wrong.
You showed me a verse highlighting God is timeless, that doesn't counter my claim that the disciples thought that Jesus' second coming would be during their own lifetimes.
I'm sorry you're forced to argue against the people who supposedly walked and talked with Jesus in order to keep your beliefs, but that's your contradiction to work through not mine.
Posted on 2/4/22 at 4:34 pm to Dawgwithnoname
Don't elevate the reading of prophecy above the message of salvation. Our Lord spent precious little time on 'end times' preferring to say 'repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near - you must be born again'
Blessed are the meek, blessed are those who mourn, blessed are the peace makers, blessed are those who thirst....
This is why I was born; why I came into the world - to bear testimony to the truth. Is prophecy part of the truth? Absolutely but it is a part. For God so loved.....these are the heartbeat of Scripture.
Blessed are the meek, blessed are those who mourn, blessed are the peace makers, blessed are those who thirst....
This is why I was born; why I came into the world - to bear testimony to the truth. Is prophecy part of the truth? Absolutely but it is a part. For God so loved.....these are the heartbeat of Scripture.
This post was edited on 2/4/22 at 4:43 pm
Posted on 2/4/22 at 4:37 pm to Dawgwithnoname
So I understand where you are coming from with your opinion on the Bible. I know there were several types of Bibles being used when Justinian decided what the Bible was going to be. Like leaving the Book of Enoch out even though it is in the Ethiopian Bible, which is the oldest unmodified Bible. This is where we part. I just think these were left out because they show a more supernaturally spiritual Jesus.
We only know why because of why they tell us. I also know in the Bible it says if your opinions would sway someone from being Christian in a semantics argument to not bother. With that said, I'm not going to try to convince you anymore
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Many books were excluded because
We only know why because of why they tell us. I also know in the Bible it says if your opinions would sway someone from being Christian in a semantics argument to not bother. With that said, I'm not going to try to convince you anymore
Posted on 2/4/22 at 4:46 pm to catholictigerfan
In fairness I don't remember all which Books I've read that were excluded apart from Enoch, as that one I've read several times. I have watched a couple videos recently looking for a book talking about Jesus teaching people when he was young, I just don't remember which Book it was.
I understand what you are saying. What it truly means who knows, we would have to look at the original language. Just like with reading the English Bible, we don't really know what it means until we read it in the original language.
One final note: modern readers tend to be particularly perplexed by saying 114, which says that “any woman who becomes a man will enter the Kingdom of Heaven.” Like virtually everything else in this gospel, that saying shouldn’t be interpreted literally. Instead, it’s referencing a custom so common in ancient Greek philosophy that it was practically a literary cliché: the glossing of matter as female and spirit as male. So saying 114 is really declaring that one must trade the flesh for the spirit – one of the most frequently-repeated messages of the Gospel of Thomas as a whole.[19]
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That line alone makes it clear to me that the Gospel of Thomas is not divinely inspired.
I understand what you are saying. What it truly means who knows, we would have to look at the original language. Just like with reading the English Bible, we don't really know what it means until we read it in the original language.
One final note: modern readers tend to be particularly perplexed by saying 114, which says that “any woman who becomes a man will enter the Kingdom of Heaven.” Like virtually everything else in this gospel, that saying shouldn’t be interpreted literally. Instead, it’s referencing a custom so common in ancient Greek philosophy that it was practically a literary cliché: the glossing of matter as female and spirit as male. So saying 114 is really declaring that one must trade the flesh for the spirit – one of the most frequently-repeated messages of the Gospel of Thomas as a whole.[19]
Posted on 2/4/22 at 4:53 pm to Azkiger
quote:I'm late to this debate, but Azkiger is absolutely correct on that. The disciples believed it, and do did the Apostle Paul. You can also make a good case that Jesus believed it as well
that doesn't counter my claim that the disciples thought that Jesus' second coming would be during their own lifetimes.
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Jesus said, "Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.” Matthew 16:28
Posted on 2/4/22 at 4:59 pm to L.A.
Did Jesus not tell Mary not to touch Him for He had yet to ascend to His Father - on the heels of the resurrection. If this is the case - that He ascended and returned for another 40 days then what He said came true.
Yet, later on He implored Thomas to touch Him; place your fingers in My wounds.
Maybe there is a difference of 'in His' rather than 'with His'
Yet, later on He implored Thomas to touch Him; place your fingers in My wounds.
Maybe there is a difference of 'in His' rather than 'with His'
This post was edited on 2/4/22 at 5:18 pm
Posted on 2/4/22 at 5:02 pm to Azkiger
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disciples thought that Jesus' second coming would be during their own lifetimes.
Yes. They thought. They were wrong. But it is just as imminent as it was in their lifetimes.
Posted on 2/4/22 at 5:27 pm to Dawgwithnoname
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They were wrong.
You need to stop and listen to yourself.
Everything you know about Jesus was written down by his disciples. But you know more about Jesus than they did...
That's like me reading a textbook about some species of monkey, then arguing with the dude who wrote the book on that species of monkey after spending years living amongst them, and only using said book to do so.
Yea, ok.This post was edited on 2/4/22 at 5:29 pm
Posted on 2/4/22 at 5:51 pm to Revelator
I could take that vague collection of phrases and apply it to almost every time period since the phrase was written. The problem with looking for signs is that people that do often have a very serious recency bias.
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